Sony PS3 in trouble?

#41 @ Anquel I'm assuming Adrian meant that for a week after nothing interesting was on tv. It was all fluff to make people feel better. I remember watching "Grease 2" I think either that night or the next because that was the only thing on and I hate that friggen movie.

#42 [URL="http://blog.escapistmagazine.com/blog/2006/06/29/blogjam_of_the_week_beware_of_greeks_can"]Beware of Greeks Canceling Games[/URL]

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track7games would like to clarify that we never cancelled something that did not exist in the first place. We plan to develop "Theseis" for PC and Xbox360 in the near future. As for the PS3, we simply made a strategic decision to not move ahead because we deemed it not probable at this time.

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Yet SCEA president Kaz Hirai isn't promising a $59.99 price tag for PS3 games this fall. In an interview with PSM, the Sony leader explained. "So, what I can say now is, I think it would be a bit of a stretch to think that we could suddenly turn around and say 'PS3 games now $99.99'. I don't think the consumers expect the software pricing to suddenly be double," he told the magazine. "So, if it becomes a bit higher than fifty-nine bucks don't ding me, but, again, as I said, I don't expect it to be a hundred bucks."

In other words, consumers should expect PS3 games to cost somewhere between $59.99 and $99.99. He doesn't expect them to be a hundred dollars, but it's only a "stretch" to expect it. Have we moved back to the cartridge ages here? Wasn't disc-based media supposed to make everything cheaper? I don't want to remember how much my parent's paid for several of Square's older SNES releases during Christmas.

#43 Basic system: $500
Cost to produce: Around $900
Loss: -$400

Advanced system: $600
Cost to produce: Around $900
Loss: -$300

Now let's look at last year's Xbox 360 results.

Basic system: $299
Cost to produce: $354
Loss: -$55

Advanced system: $399
Cost to produce: $525
Loss: -$126

:P

-Matt Vitelli

#44 Well you are forgetting that Xbox 360 can not play HI-Def movies... So tack on another 300 bucks for that Extention that plugs in... Dreamcast sounding familure yet?

#45 Clear as mud. Come on. No one can say with clairity who is going to win the console wars - at least anyone who's time isn't worth 100s of dollars a second because hes busy investing in the winners and shorting the losers.

Sony's not even looking at PS3 as being the dominant platform - what they want is to dominate media formats and rake in royalties hand over fist. Pity they haven't got a good track record in that department, but they keep trying. And it affects what 'break-even' point they're willing to tolerate.

#46 @Michael

Be careful about your wishes for HiDef DVDs as its all smoke and mirrors right now. Why? Well very few film or TV productions are captured HD cameras in a HD format and what few that are aren't edited and mastered in HD because the equipment is ungodly expensive and rarely the need to go beyond your plethora of outdated TV formats as well as your standard Movie resolution.

As such all this hype about HiDef DVDs is really just bullshit to make the idiots of the world think that they need some mythical new format that will make things crystal clear. Sorry but its not going to happen, the technology might be here to have this, but there are only a handful of pioneers making doing anything with it. But hey, if you want some upsampled HiDef DVD to blow hot air up your skirt, please buy BluRay or HD-DVD, it seems to do a great job at doing just that.

#47 Imagine the amount of Atlas data you could hold on a brd...
pquote]Have we moved back to the cartridge ages here? Wasn't disc-based media supposed to make everything cheaper? I don't want to remember how much my parent's paid for several of Square's older SNES releases during Christmas.[/quote]

It is cheaper, if you take away the Royalties, Distributer Fees, Publisher Fees and Retail Profit.
After that it should only cost ten bucks! Thats with the deluxe shipping. It only costs about $10 per game pressed on any new media if it's done in bulks of at least 10,000. If everyone weren't so greedy, you would have your Cheaper games

#48 $10 to press the game still seems incredibly expensive to me... maybe cheaper than a cartridge, but still...

#49 The point is that the cost of the media doesn't always justify the cost of the game, as the article writer suggested.

#50 I'd say it's pretty sad how samsung comes out with their blu-ray player before they do. I think sony is going to get screwed over with the price as well, it's already too expensive, and I hear they are going to be losing money with the price they put up? I definantly would not buy one, and it's not worth the money. I would stick to microsoft or if you are on a budget, the nintendo. Of course people will still be hyped about getting their ps3, and half the people i've met claim their "standard dvd player" is a "hd dvd player". Microsoft is also releasing HD-DVD player expansion to their xbox 360, and HD-DVD players are about half the price of samsung's blu-ray.

Sony is going to be out late, they might as well wait till next years christmas, because they will miss the holiday rush, and if they release it now, some may need to be recalled because mr jo at sony decided he wanted to get ps3 out early.

#51 Yeah, I have high def tv's and it sucks only getting a few feeds in true high def,
I thought though by 2007 or 8, it would be manditory to be in Hi-def.. i DO know that most of the movie studios have been filming in hi def for at least 3 years. anything since then has been in high def. (from the major houses anyhow.

after i watch a High Def show, i can't stand to look at my tv if its not in high def...

#52 My brother has a 360 and a hi-def plasma screen. I don't know what the 360 does, but DVDs look a LOT better just playing in its DVD drive. It's a huge amount better than just the regular DVD players and the pictures are simply gorgeous. So I don't know why people are dying for hi-def. The games are already hi-def on it and a mass format switch is at least 2 years out.

#53 Well honestly I think the Wii (or Revolution) will be slightly better than the 360. Only slighty because I am a Nintendo "fanboy" and the 360 with Call of Duty 2 blew me away. Now who really thinks that console games will get up to 30 gigabytes? I mean that is just rediculous. Most computer games run right off the hard drive and they only take up about 3-4 GB tops. Oh sure the PS3 will be more a more powerful machinem but the truth is, Blu-ray is still in major development and our media is not ready for it. Probaby the most you could do with a 30 GB Blu-ray disc is put a movie and an insane amount of extras/trailers. Why doesn't Sony try something new and actually install games on the hard drive? It would be insanly faster than loading a 10-15 GB game and it could MAYBE eliminate DVD's/Whatever and you could buy the games through a broadband connection.
Now with the Wii. Nintendo has done revolutionary products. They won the 8, 16, and 64 bit contests along with the handheld wars. They even intoduced the analog stick and the touchscreen to the market. This controller and downloadable previous generation games, in my opinion, will save people money and will draw not just gamers but the more simple type people. All in all I am buying the Wii and no one can stop me.

#54

Quote:Probaby the most you could do with a 30 GB Blu-ray disc is put a movie and an insane amount of extras/trailers.

Umm... Okay, if a Standard i780p HD movie of 1.5hrs length takes up 7.8gb, you could increase the Quality * 50. No artifacting on even the biggest screens, no slowdown, no disc skips, the images could be contained as their raw format.
Or you could hold 50 movies on a single disc, you could have the Complete series of Tintin and Asterix on a single disc, retailing for no more than a cheap box set.

#55 I read an article that Sony announced the PS3 games are going to range from $60 to $100...

#56 That's just insane.

Now, admittedly, I have Sony on a permanent boycott after the spyware on audio CDs affair, so it doesn't affect me directly, but what the heck are they thinking?!?!?

I swear, I hope PS3 and blu-ray fails on 'em so hard it puts 'em out of business.

#57 @ Michael: I know, I am the same way. I have an HDTV and I watch shows like CSI and Three and a Half Men all in HD for free from the over-the-air broadcast.. its simply amazing. After watching those HD shows, its hard to watch my satellite TV which I pay for every month which is just standard resolution. DVDs look like ass to me now. Only a few look really nice in up-scaling DVD players I've noticed, mostly newer movies.

To stay on topic... I can see the need for hi def movie players, cause standard res movies just look bad to me now when I compare them to shows like CSI (in HD). But what I dont agree with is that Sony is forcing Blue-ray players onto its gaming fans. You dont need 30 gigs for a game, DVDs still aren't being totally filled up. Even if they were, I have no problem swapping out a disc after taking days to get through the first DVD. Sony just wants to win the format war and this is their forceful plan to do just that.

#58 You guys gotta remember one thing : Sony ain't stupid. They have done enough business to not get burned. I say we should just wait and see what happens, because even though we are all saying it is too expensive(just like what was said about the 360 by alot of people), I guarentee you that 24 hours before it is released their will be atleast 20 people in line at every WalMart in the U.S.(just like what happened with the 360).

-Okashira

#59 Yes, but the early adopters are not enough to sustain a product... and that's where the pricetag is gonna hurt 'em.

Ultimately, I don't really care. I am getting a Wii for two big reasons:

1. I have a 9 year old daughter.
2. It seems the most innovative, and I think it'll have the most games that look like fun to me.

At heart, I'm a PC gamer... so a console has to really have something going for it to get my attention.

#60 Theres no doubt it will sell out initialy. The hard part will be maintaining the initial surge of sales. I for one will not be getting one. The 360 and PS3 are both too expensive as toys to play games on. And not everyone has ethernet in their living room. Making XBL for many useless.

I'm reluctant to buy a Wii, I like the idea of the controler buy typicaly don't like their games. I have a feeling that I'll most likely upgrade my PC instead with next years budget/midrange hardware and get the best most usefull value for my $.