Forum post deleted that GG doesnt like??
by Nate Nielsen · in General Discussion · 02/14/2006 (7:03 pm) · 18 replies
Uh, did GG delete a previous thread ? (39868) Maybe there is just an error displaying it or something?
It was titled "Okay... Stop everything and get to work GG"
I was looking for some artists that posted to that thread to talk to them about getting
I realize there were some people flaming each other on that thread, but there was some good collaboration going on, most notably relating to the development of a framework / methodology?
What gives?
If you did decide to delete it due to content, may I request a copy of the full conversation for the above reasons (some artists looking for programmers and the methodology info)?
Thanks,
-Nate
It was titled "Okay... Stop everything and get to work GG"
I was looking for some artists that posted to that thread to talk to them about getting
I realize there were some people flaming each other on that thread, but there was some good collaboration going on, most notably relating to the development of a framework / methodology?
What gives?
If you did decide to delete it due to content, may I request a copy of the full conversation for the above reasons (some artists looking for programmers and the methodology info)?
Thanks,
-Nate
About the author
#2
02/14/2006 (8:26 pm)
@Benjamin: in the future, it might be a good idea to include some sort of admin 'lock' of a thread so people such as nate dont complain :) 
#3
02/16/2006 (8:33 am)
Personally I think it was a good choice. All of the needed and necessary points of discussion had already taken place within it and possible/potential solutions had been outlined. Lately the thread was nothing more than a big pot of oil that was sooner or later going to really catch on fire and cause problems and as such I don't blame GG one bit for taking it down.
#4
It started agressive. Then he tried to dig his way out with logic.
Spock did that too on Star Trek (little ice breaking humor).
It was the usual castle battle..
Noob knight shows up on horse with good idea but bad manners to the king..
Gate lowers and fanboi knights come out and own said noob knight..
Noob knight get's up and makes appeal to the throne with a good merit story.
(the thread) Locked in Dungeon for futher torture to extract information that will be
used to improve said kingdom but in proper form.
:)
02/16/2006 (8:41 am)
Yea it was the presentation.. not the topic.It started agressive. Then he tried to dig his way out with logic.
Spock did that too on Star Trek (little ice breaking humor).
It was the usual castle battle..
Noob knight shows up on horse with good idea but bad manners to the king..
Gate lowers and fanboi knights come out and own said noob knight..
Noob knight get's up and makes appeal to the throne with a good merit story.
(the thread) Locked in Dungeon for futher torture to extract information that will be
used to improve said kingdom but in proper form.
:)
#5
02/16/2006 (8:59 am)
I didn't think the fanboi knights did so well, actually. They do not travel on horses, but pretend they do and have their servants bang coconuts to make the sound of horse's hooves.
#6
/me pictures 100 nights, squires and coconuts heading into battle.
02/16/2006 (9:33 am)
You gave me an idea for a Monty Python RTS...now that surly has never been done. ;)/me pictures 100 nights, squires and coconuts heading into battle.
#7
They're paying the bills for the server here, so they have the prerogative to lock or delete threads whenever they want.
02/16/2006 (4:58 pm)
Hmmm,They're paying the bills for the server here, so they have the prerogative to lock or delete threads whenever they want.
#8
I am not a torque owner. The state of Torque documentation does not affect me because I am an artist and a web developer. I have, however, been following the progress of this conversation since it started and I have to say that I am really annoyed with the whole affair.
The docs are where they are. They are actively being worked on by both GG and the community. Enough already.
02/17/2006 (2:38 am)
Grr. This thread has turned this thread in to an attack about garage games, as well.I am not a torque owner. The state of Torque documentation does not affect me because I am an artist and a web developer. I have, however, been following the progress of this conversation since it started and I have to say that I am really annoyed with the whole affair.
Quote:The customer pay GG who pay the server, can say something about it :)Website administration is not a democracy. You purchased a product, not a share of stock.
Quote:Maybe some problem will never be solved because when someone argue about it, they censore it.Since I joined this community I have seen a number of threads that cover the same topic as the removed one. They didn't remove it because of the content.
Quote:A good company should just listen to customer, without defending themselfThey are and have been. Elixir and TDN both fit perfectly in to this category.
Quote:If they doesn't find the thread insteresting, they should have locked it, one day before.I agree. Locking is better than deleting. That's their decision to make, however.
Quote:Freedom to speak is very important for me.Great. I don't think the removed thread was constructive, though. It was just a bunch of people bitching and not listening to what the Employees had to say.
If we can put the light on problem, I have the hope, that they will be solved one day.
Quote:Community member only give 100$, but they also give a lot of time to the GG people by doing thing (which make GG save a lot more than 100$)And I think the people who are making these contributions feel that their investment is worth while.
The docs are where they are. They are actively being worked on by both GG and the community. Enough already.
#9
It's a company website hosted, run and paid for by a the creators of a product we have all purchased.
Garage Games is not a Democracy, they are a benevolent dictatorship. What they say, Goes. They want to see their product, the Indi scene and this community thrive, but don't go thinking for a second that your power or anyone elses power is anything more than the ability to suggest when talking about the Torque engine or this site.
If they want to delete a thread, they will. It's their right. Nothing you can do about it apart from start another thread, which if filled with as much venom as the last one, will be deleted also.
By the way, calling someone "Just a Fanboy" because they defend a different point of view to your own is plain rude. A lot of people here have a LOT of effort invested in this engine. That's TIME and MONEY. Trying to belittle them with childish put downs is immature and offensive.
Insulting the members of a community is not going to help you get your way or generate sympathy for your point of view.
Now I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting quite tired of seeing this thread and the other (now defunct) thread at the top of the recent list. Im tired of reading flames and I'm sick of people trying to draw the Garage Games staff into a fight. There are far more important things to think about.
The point has been made, so lets leave it at that and get back to making something interesting, which is afterall why we are here in the first place.
02/17/2006 (5:09 am)
This site has never been a Democracy and never will be and never should be either. It's a company website hosted, run and paid for by a the creators of a product we have all purchased.
Garage Games is not a Democracy, they are a benevolent dictatorship. What they say, Goes. They want to see their product, the Indi scene and this community thrive, but don't go thinking for a second that your power or anyone elses power is anything more than the ability to suggest when talking about the Torque engine or this site.
If they want to delete a thread, they will. It's their right. Nothing you can do about it apart from start another thread, which if filled with as much venom as the last one, will be deleted also.
By the way, calling someone "Just a Fanboy" because they defend a different point of view to your own is plain rude. A lot of people here have a LOT of effort invested in this engine. That's TIME and MONEY. Trying to belittle them with childish put downs is immature and offensive.
Insulting the members of a community is not going to help you get your way or generate sympathy for your point of view.
Now I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting quite tired of seeing this thread and the other (now defunct) thread at the top of the recent list. Im tired of reading flames and I'm sick of people trying to draw the Garage Games staff into a fight. There are far more important things to think about.
The point has been made, so lets leave it at that and get back to making something interesting, which is afterall why we are here in the first place.
#10
02/17/2006 (5:25 am)
I'd vote for this threads deletion, but then we'd probably just get another thread complaining that this thread was deleted. 
#11
02/17/2006 (12:04 pm)
Um, Lauti
#13
02/17/2006 (12:17 pm)
Quote:I've just deleted myself, you should do the same :)You just censored yourself. The irony is too powerful to pass up.
#14
I dont agree with censorship either, and I really did want a copy of the last thread.
They've sent it to me in email and that is what i was originally after, so the flame war need not continue.
Thanks all for the input.
02/17/2006 (12:20 pm)
I just deleted it (since i have the option from when i created it)I dont agree with censorship either, and I really did want a copy of the last thread.
They've sent it to me in email and that is what i was originally after, so the flame war need not continue.
Thanks all for the input.
#15
On another note, I just noticed that copying and pasting your name dropped the "
02/17/2006 (12:29 pm)
I didn't see it in your post (or profile); simply reflection on the community, "censorship", and a general note about democracy on the web. I asked because I could not remember from the last topic, and haven't gotten much from your posts in this topic. But this statement seems to speak to me for some reason:Quote:You don't use the doc, and don't know it, but speak on a subject you don't know.
On another note, I just noticed that copying and pasting your name dropped the "
#16
02/17/2006 (12:43 pm)
@GG Staff: Have you been deleting my post with the link to the google cache? If so - why?
#17
02/17/2006 (1:40 pm)
@Thomas: they took it down for a reason, and you trying to circumvent their decision doesnt help matters any. 
#18
02/17/2006 (1:45 pm)
Thomas, I deleted your link because there was a reason we originally deleted that old thread. It was inflammatory, off-topic, and full of non-factual issues. There have been a few of us in the office who are taking the time to pull out the good meat from that thread and make them into resources for everyone to benefit from. There is no need to link to that old post. 
Torque Owner Benjamin Bradley
This way we won't lose some of the good stuff that was in the thread.
Email me if you have any questions. benjaminb AT garagegames.com