Has this ever happened to anyone in garagegames community?
by Sean Brady · in General Discussion · 03/05/2012 (3:08 pm) · 7 replies
Lets say you create several pieces of software, they are placed online; viewable by all. They are hacked together not engineered due to strict project deadline. After a while you receive call/email from a developer/software engineer (from a well known Fortune 500) asking you to apply for a certain software engineering role saying that from your experience/portfolio you would be able to handle the creation of their software. After applying, you eventually receive a phone interview and because you use different terminology, there is no progress after interview.
Honestly most of the software engineering terminology to me is boring and like talking to an iron about the economy (huh?), I prefer to just stick to the KISS principle and crank out whats needed and move on, if something needs to be changed or altered, adapt to the source code organisation and get on with it. I have never had a problems sorting out bugs, delivering needed functionality or sticking to deadline. May be a bad thing or a good thing, I don't know.
Has anyone here ever had an interview experience like this?
Is it foolish to think that you are a terrible programmer for not knowing the right terminology?
Thanks in advance for any guidance you can give. If I am doing something/thinking the wrong way then please say. Any critiques is much appreciated.
Honestly most of the software engineering terminology to me is boring and like talking to an iron about the economy (huh?), I prefer to just stick to the KISS principle and crank out whats needed and move on, if something needs to be changed or altered, adapt to the source code organisation and get on with it. I have never had a problems sorting out bugs, delivering needed functionality or sticking to deadline. May be a bad thing or a good thing, I don't know.
Has anyone here ever had an interview experience like this?
Is it foolish to think that you are a terrible programmer for not knowing the right terminology?
Thanks in advance for any guidance you can give. If I am doing something/thinking the wrong way then please say. Any critiques is much appreciated.
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#2
You should know the jargon for your industry as well as being able to explain what it means in different ways. The interviewer may not know as much as you do about database persistence, but they also might have been a developer at Oracle at one time on the data integrity team. You need to assume that they know more than you do about the questions that they are asking since they have created the questions and are most likely interviewing other people from that question set. But you need to show that you know the material and can solve the problems they are trying to solve.
There are always going to be better and worse candidates. You need to make sure that you float to the top during those first interviews.
03/06/2012 (1:59 pm)
If someone is getting hired because they do not know the concepts behind the industry terms, then there's something wrong with the hiring process. However, if you are interviewing a candidate who does not seem to know the base industry jargon, it feels like you brought the wrong person in for the interview.You should know the jargon for your industry as well as being able to explain what it means in different ways. The interviewer may not know as much as you do about database persistence, but they also might have been a developer at Oracle at one time on the data integrity team. You need to assume that they know more than you do about the questions that they are asking since they have created the questions and are most likely interviewing other people from that question set. But you need to show that you know the material and can solve the problems they are trying to solve.
There are always going to be better and worse candidates. You need to make sure that you float to the top during those first interviews.
#3
Thank you for clearing it up for us. I was living in a different world "Show me what you can do use to be the way you got hired" of the last decade.
@David Montgomery-Blake
Thank you for laying it out clearly. Again I was stuck in "what you can do" mindset of a few years ago.
@To each,
Honestly I don't know where my head was at. Spent most of my time learning skills and theory behind them but not the established language to communicate. Foolish and ignorant on my part. The posts really helped, much appreciated.
03/06/2012 (11:11 pm)
@Michael FlynnThank you for clearing it up for us. I was living in a different world "Show me what you can do use to be the way you got hired" of the last decade.
@David Montgomery-Blake
Thank you for laying it out clearly. Again I was stuck in "what you can do" mindset of a few years ago.
@To each,
Honestly I don't know where my head was at. Spent most of my time learning skills and theory behind them but not the established language to communicate. Foolish and ignorant on my part. The posts really helped, much appreciated.
#4
03/09/2012 (8:05 am)
This things happened to most of us. During pass few years,I have understood to get client we need BIG and FANCY WORDS to impress them. They first look at the WORDS and than on your work. If you have both than it work best!
#5
Plus I like to learn more of what I am trying to be the best at.
03/09/2012 (12:28 pm)
I know some of the jargon, but usually I try and keep up to date so if the time comes I can communicate what I want to do thoroughly.Plus I like to learn more of what I am trying to be the best at.
#6
I have always preferred face-to-face interviews and the ability to take some code with to show what I can do.
Having said that however ... knowing the jargon can help ... it is normally best to do some research before hand and make sure you and the interviewer are on the right page.
I am sorry that it didn't end up the way you expected ... but maybe the next time. Good Luck.
03/10/2012 (11:14 am)
@Sean Brady: I think the problem stems from Telephonic Interviews, they are very difficult to pull off successfully and are generally the most difficult to get a job from.I have always preferred face-to-face interviews and the ability to take some code with to show what I can do.
Having said that however ... knowing the jargon can help ... it is normally best to do some research before hand and make sure you and the interviewer are on the right page.
I am sorry that it didn't end up the way you expected ... but maybe the next time. Good Luck.
#7
That seems to be the exact situation... Absolutely mad, quite saddening actually. Evidence means nothing without giving across the right perception. My own fault for trying to convince myself of otherwise.
@Masaki Oyata
"I know some of the jargon, but usually I try and keep up to date so if the time comes I can communicate what I want to do thoroughly." I eventually understood the jargon was present for that very reason. My own ignorance and rebellious nature kind of clouded my judgement about whether or not to learn and use it.
@Quinton Delpeche
"I think the problem stems from Telephonic Interviews, they are very difficult to pull off successfully and are generally the most difficult to get a job from." - too true... right on the money.
"I have always preferred face-to-face interviews and the ability to take some code with to show what I can do. Having said that however ... knowing the jargon can help ... it is normally best to do some research before hand and make sure you and the interviewer are on the right page." - Absolutely... matching the interviewers situation and knowing the necessary jargon have been my main downfall. Although some interviews I went too, I was not allowed to bring anything with me. Like all job interviews, it depends.
"I am sorry that it didn't end up the way you expected ... but maybe the next time. Good Luck." Cheers. No point in moping, just improve and keep going. At least I know what's necessary now.
@All
Thank you.
03/10/2012 (2:01 pm)
@Bapi RoyThat seems to be the exact situation... Absolutely mad, quite saddening actually. Evidence means nothing without giving across the right perception. My own fault for trying to convince myself of otherwise.
@Masaki Oyata
"I know some of the jargon, but usually I try and keep up to date so if the time comes I can communicate what I want to do thoroughly." I eventually understood the jargon was present for that very reason. My own ignorance and rebellious nature kind of clouded my judgement about whether or not to learn and use it.
@Quinton Delpeche
"I think the problem stems from Telephonic Interviews, they are very difficult to pull off successfully and are generally the most difficult to get a job from." - too true... right on the money.
"I have always preferred face-to-face interviews and the ability to take some code with to show what I can do. Having said that however ... knowing the jargon can help ... it is normally best to do some research before hand and make sure you and the interviewer are on the right page." - Absolutely... matching the interviewers situation and knowing the necessary jargon have been my main downfall. Although some interviews I went too, I was not allowed to bring anything with me. Like all job interviews, it depends.
"I am sorry that it didn't end up the way you expected ... but maybe the next time. Good Luck." Cheers. No point in moping, just improve and keep going. At least I know what's necessary now.
@All
Thank you.
Michael Flynn
Unicron Technologies
Companies don't care what you can do, even if your the best at it in the world, to them if you can't talk the Big words they think your dumb.
It would be nice if they hired you based on your work experience and demonstration of what you can do, Show me what you can do use to be the way you got hired, I want to see if you can do the job....
Now days a person with 20 years experience writing the Core of a gaming system will be passed up for a 20 something fresh out of collage and never worked a day ONLY because they learned how to use the big words.
I really get mad when someone tries to talk to me using big words, and I can tell they don't know a hole from their .... about the subject, but hey their making $100,000 a year... woo hoo
All I can say is learn the talk and the big words, and what they mean, cause no one likes a kiss as*
Good Luck!