License Freedoms & Restrictions

#1 The way i understand it is that GG will publish your game unless you can get a publisher to want it. In that case they work up a new license/contract with the publisher OR use the commercial license if the publishers revenues exceed $500k.

#2 Where is the FAQ? I just checked our FAQ, and I don't see that one in there.

You no longer have to publish your game on GG when you use the Torque.

Jeff Tunnell GG

#3 Were you reading this licensing FAQ Kasmir?

www.garagegames.com/index.php?sec=mg&mod=resource&page=category&qid=122

#4 I searched all the FAQ's and cannot find that quote can you please post a link to it.

#5 Erm... /me looks around confused. We're in Torque Engine Technology>>Licensing, right?

I copy & pasted each of these from the forum right above our current forum, here:

Torque Engine Technolog>>FAQ>>

Specifically, the two questions were in:


Torque Engine Technolog>>FAQ>>V12 Technology

http://www.garagegames.com/index.php?sec=mg&mod=forums&page=result.thread&qt=470


Torque Engine Technolog>>FAQ>>Publishing

http://www.garagegames.com/index.php?sec=mg&mod=forums&page=result.thread&qt=467

They're dated April 2001 and authored by Jeff Tunnell.

As I said, it seems reasonable to conclude those FAQs are out-of-date, but these particular quotes kept me from feeling completely confident in my conclusion. But this...

Quote:You no longer have to publish your game on GG when you use the Torque.

... gives me peace of mind.

Thanks, guys. I'm sorry if I threw you for a loop by calling it "the Licensing FAQ." *blush*

#6 Whew, thank you for posting those links, I had forgotten that those faq forum were still active. (deleted now) We now have a more advanced FAQ system here

Sorry for the confusion.

--Rick

#7 We totally forgot about those old forums based FAQ's. Rick deleted them. Please go by the FAQ's accessed by the link on the left menu. That should clear things up!

Jeff Tunnell GG

#8 Thanks, guys.

And since I'm new here, I have to be permitted one corny, kiss-butt commment:

I think what you're doing here is fantastic. For a shmoe like me, it's almost like a dream come true. =)

Carry on. :D

#9 Heh... Thanks, and welcome.

Jeff Tunnell GG

#10 Hi, I recently purchased Torque, and am really excited about digging in. I do have a question about the EULA, though, while we're on the subject:

Quote:3. RESTRICTIONS.

The following restrictions apply to the use of this Software:

(a) Licensee may not: (i) modify or create any derivative works of the Software, including translations or localizations, other than the Games; (ii) reverse engineer, or otherwise attempt to derive the algorithms for the Software (except to the extent applicable laws specifically prohibit such restriction); ...

Does this mean that I would be in violation of the EULA, if I wanted to refactor parts, and, say, add aspects of DirectX 9 to the Torque engine? Put my own IK in there? Etc.? In order to do this properly will require reverse engineering and deriving of algorithms.

My purpose for doing this would be for making games, not a competing engine to sell. What exactly does the phrase "...other than the Games" mean? (Hopefully, not just the examples provided) :)

I guess, what I'm really asking, is it OK if I completely reverse engineer parts of the Torque engine, and create derivative works for the sole purpose of game product development?

If you wouldn't mind clarification on these points, that would be helpful. Thanks!

#11 Reverse engineering is when you use the technology in other products etc. So if you add loads of stuff to torque then you're still covered by the torque license it's no problems.

If you take a load of code / Algorithms from Torque etc. and put it in your own engine and claim it as your own you've reverse engineered it and are in breach of the EULA (and all other kinds of copyright laws).

#12 Well said Gareth.

Jeff Tunnell GG

#13 OK, sounds good! Thanks.