Mad as Heeeeeeeee%^&^$#@#$%^

#1 @Donnie -

Hey, relax. TGE is still on your box. It's still available for you to donwload if you lost the code. It still does what it did before, nothing has changed there. So it's not going to get any new features added to it - there are some good resources for it to make it better (look at the Modernization kit - it's free!).

I do recommend upgrading to TGEA, it's got a lot more functionality than just shaders added, and it's faster. You don't have to, though - your current engine still works. :)

#2 I agree with progress, just not dumping on the people and original engine that got them there.....You know how hard it is to even find the product page for TGE is now. I just think there pushing way to hard.....

#3 I kinda feel a little sick too.

I got all the torque programming books, hope those are applicable to TGEA. Sucks to think they won't be any more fixes or tweaks unless you spend more money. When the $$ does come along I'd consider upgrading to TGEA if I knew the programming guides for TGE worked for TGEA, if I knew there wouldn't be a TGEA2 right after I bought it, and they'd get some really, really, really nice documentation.

#4 @Charlie -

Most of the scripting is compatible. The main incompatibilities are in the C++ code. I only have a couple torque books, but the one I use most is "The Game Programmers Guide to Torque", and it's very useful for TGEA.
Who knows what will happen with Torque 3D? I'm not sure even GG knows 100% right now, not after the past few days. But I think in it's current state, TGEA is still a great game engine.

@Donnie - Are you sure it's the full 295? I was thinking that you could upgrade for the price difference.

#5 Even though GG may drop TGE themselves doesn't mean you have to, it just wont be updated anymore (it hasn't been updated in over a year and a half anyway). Keep in mind that you've already paid for your license and they can't make you not use it -- you can still make as many games as you wont to so long as you don't abuse or exceed the EULA requirements. I doubt that the community for TGE is going away anytime soon either. Someone will probably be around to answer questions, submit resources, or write fixes for TGE for a while yet, and that was always it's greatest value to be found.

I've seen mention that people are still able to upgrade to TGEa from TGE, it would be foolhardy for GarageGames to change that. I don't remember the actual cost when I did so but between the two engines it ended up being $5-$10 less than TGEa on it's own.

#6

Quote:I do recommend upgrading to TGEA, it's got a lot more functionality than just shaders added, and it's faster. You don't have to, though - your current engine still works. :)

And it works well too. If you look back six months you'll see how amazed and awed everyone was by just how good Apparatus made TGE look without shader tech or fancy rendering tricks.

#7 yes you guys can upgrade for a price deference it will costs you $150 to upgrade to tgea which is the same price you payed for tge. tge is way outdated and they can do much with it anymore that's why they made tgea. they are making torque 3d as it will more then likely be the last 3d engine as everything should be able to be built off it form now on. they also changed the way things are being run which is updates will cost you money as they need to make money to put all this cool stuff in the engines for ya. if you want to upgrade then you don't have to. updates that will cost you money will be like 1.1 1.2 1.3 and so on so forth. the 1.1.1 i don't think they will as the 0.0.1 is bug fixes more then likely and those should be free.

#8 I will probably upgrade for 150, but just the tone of one day its great, were here to help, love ya man.....Too you just purchase a ticket on the Titanic.....As far as costing me money, I have spent alot already, so I think I did my part supporting the community and helping pay for TGEA, thats why I think they should care about what they say to good customers. As a company, I just think they went about the switch way wrong. If you take your car for an oil change and the company tells you that the oil you used to is no longer good and they no longer will carry it, even though they just sold it too you last month, wouldnt you think something is wrong with this picture. One day its on a pedestal and the next its in the trash can, you can't tell me thats right.....There trashing there own product that they made lots of money on, its disrespectful to all invovled......

#9 Like Bradon said Tge is way outdated, then why is my question, sell me software that they will no longer support, two months later??????

Maybe I care way too much, but I like this community and GG....

#10 Before you purchase anything you should do a little research beforehand. A few minutes or a few hours at most would have revealed to you just how old TGE was (8+ years), TGEa has been available for several years now also, and it's recieved a lot of attention in the past year, but GarageGames also has to think in a forward direction. Keep raising the bar and pushing/leveraging newer technologies. It's much the same as buying a new car/computer/tv/etc at the end of year just because the cost is low, yet knowing that something newer and "better" (that costs more) would be coming out next year. I can't speak for GarageGames but products come and go everywhere -- I expect the shelves to change every so often. Sometimes you have to let things go in order to move on. But don't worry, because the community behind TGE is still strong and will probably support it for many years to come.

#11 I would just like to add that after all the excitement in your post, you should surrender the nickname "SilentMike".

#12 @Jason: Looks like you have to get admin approval to do so. I did try to change my user name yesterday, but that ability isn't working yet according to the email I got.

#13 As already said, a little research would have shown TGE is an old workhorse and newer alternatives are available and indeed in the pipeline. That's progress, I'd hazard a guess you're not using a 10 year old OS and 10 year old hardware because it's the cheapest available?

That aside, TGE is still perfectly serviceable and usable even if it's reached the end of its official support life. You have the source, a wealth of resources, and a community that will inevitably continue to use it.

In retrospect, I think I've pretty much just repeated silentMike... hee.

#14 Yes, I'm pretty sure its like around 145.00 to upgrade from TGE 1.5 to TGEA. Or what is cheaper is to buy TGE 1.4.2 for $100, then upgrade to TGE 1.5 for $50, then upgrade to TGEA for 145.00. This will save you a couple of bucks :)

#15 Everyone is saying it's some amount to upgrade to TGEA but the only price I see is $295. Did my coupon get lost in the mail or do you people really have no clue what you're talking about? >:|

#16 While TGE maybe 8 years old you have to figure, the engine itself has been around alot longer then that. It was used in Tribes 2. Tribes 2 was released in 2001 and so I know the engine had to be in development atleast since the release of Tribes 1 in 1998. Maybe even before that.

Anyways TGE is showing its age. Its like a used car at some point the dealership is going to stop providing free service and maintance on it. Sorta like a old computer that has a AGP slot. At some point its going to need to be replaced because there is going to come a time when AGP cards are not going to be sold.

What worked back in '98 and was top of the line isn't exactly still top of the line today (with the exception of Torques networking ;) ).

I would defently recommened upgrading to TGEA. But do keep in mind there is also going to come a time when its going to lose support also. May not be tomarrow or this year. But there will be a time when it gets replaced with improved technology.

Just about all game engines out there from the Unreal Engine to Torque all use a similar model where improved versions of the engine are released as different products/versions and the old ones lose support.

The fact GG has kept TGE around for 8 years and has only ever charged for bug fixs / updates once that entire time is saying something for the company.

#17

Quote:or do you people really have no clue what you're talking about?

@Joe - I upgraded from TGE, but it has been some time ago. Someone in another thread said that if you are a TGE owner, that once you place it in your cart you will see the discount. You may want to email GG for clarification.

#18

Quote:Everyone is saying it's some amount to upgrade to TGEA but the only price I see is $295. Did my coupon get lost in the mail or do you people really have no clue what you're talking about? >:|

It's like that for everyone, and GarageGames doesn't offer coupon's as far as I know, but If you're a TGE 1.5.2 license holder when you add TGEa to your cart and go to checkout you will see the upgrade path/price option. That's how it worked for me.

#19 Aha!

You guys speak the truths! I was holding out because the non-upgrade price was a little out of my budget ;)

Thanks!

#20 The whole "silentMike" part of this topic will confuse people for years to come now.