See into the future, just like Torque
by Steven Peterson · in Torque Game Engine · 06/02/2008 (10:22 am) · 11 replies
As you may know, Torque spends alot of it's time looking into the future. Essentially the client simulates what will likely happen in any given frame, and then checks it'self against "reality" when a sever-update comes along. If there is a difference, Torque interpolates across it to hide the "lag".
Turns out, humans likely do the exact same thing. There is a 1/10 second delay from when light enters your eye till the image can be "processed" and "rendered" in your brain. Researchers are now suggesting our brain makes up this difference by using what amounts to a "predictive look--ahead algorithm" to anticipate what will happen 1/10 of a second into the future, and showing it to us before it happens.
Seems a little crystal-ballish at first - but if a game-engine can do it, why not the human brain?
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361623,00.html
Turns out, humans likely do the exact same thing. There is a 1/10 second delay from when light enters your eye till the image can be "processed" and "rendered" in your brain. Researchers are now suggesting our brain makes up this difference by using what amounts to a "predictive look--ahead algorithm" to anticipate what will happen 1/10 of a second into the future, and showing it to us before it happens.
Seems a little crystal-ballish at first - but if a game-engine can do it, why not the human brain?
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361623,00.html
#3
06/02/2008 (11:47 am)
@mb - congratulations on missing the point. 
#4
See This Image
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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay sensationalism!
06/02/2008 (12:29 pm)
I managed to find a diagram that further simplifies the article, but thoroughly explains the point:See This Image
In Other News: Poison is bad for you, the Sun is bright, and our feature story: Gravity and the danger it causes from extreme heights!
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay sensationalism!
#5
Back to topic, the article does blow it a little out of proportions. At the start they hint that it's a sort of mystical precognition, then later explain it's the same mechanism that allows you to predict the path of a flying baseball to catch it.
It's exactly like what torque does, use previous and current data to make a best guess estimate of what the next batch of data will say.
I don't find it too surprising, psychology teaches that there is a mechanism that alters the incoming sensory information. Schizophrenia (commonly mistaken as multiple personality disorder) is where a person's perception of reality differs from the physical truth, the sensory data having been altered significantly between the eyes/ears/ect and the consciousness.
What these guys are saying is that the normal function of the reality to perception translator is to compensate for the 0.1 second lag.
06/02/2008 (12:49 pm)
Jabs at fox news are always relevent.Back to topic, the article does blow it a little out of proportions. At the start they hint that it's a sort of mystical precognition, then later explain it's the same mechanism that allows you to predict the path of a flying baseball to catch it.
It's exactly like what torque does, use previous and current data to make a best guess estimate of what the next batch of data will say.
I don't find it too surprising, psychology teaches that there is a mechanism that alters the incoming sensory information. Schizophrenia (commonly mistaken as multiple personality disorder) is where a person's perception of reality differs from the physical truth, the sensory data having been altered significantly between the eyes/ears/ect and the consciousness.
What these guys are saying is that the normal function of the reality to perception translator is to compensate for the 0.1 second lag.
#6
Computer are precise objects, they have no core thats "probabilistic" and "approximative".
On the other hand, humans are pretty crap at precise stuff, but their ability to estimate things intuitively within microseconds and the like are worlds above anything technically known. That has as well to do with the fact that different things are not handled by our brain at all. Those things are called reflexes, trained low latency reactions that do not need the brains input as it would be problematic for us if the brains latency would play in.
Above that, we have an unbeatable pattern recognition and our knowledge of the past to which our brain has access in microseconds.
So I think the computer with its "single core" low latency "knowledge of the past" will never be able to do anything like we do with our multiple totally distinct approximative systems that use knowledge from the past.
06/17/2008 (2:05 pm)
There is one fundamental difference between a human brain and a computer programs:Computer are precise objects, they have no core thats "probabilistic" and "approximative".
On the other hand, humans are pretty crap at precise stuff, but their ability to estimate things intuitively within microseconds and the like are worlds above anything technically known. That has as well to do with the fact that different things are not handled by our brain at all. Those things are called reflexes, trained low latency reactions that do not need the brains input as it would be problematic for us if the brains latency would play in.
Above that, we have an unbeatable pattern recognition and our knowledge of the past to which our brain has access in microseconds.
So I think the computer with its "single core" low latency "knowledge of the past" will never be able to do anything like we do with our multiple totally distinct approximative systems that use knowledge from the past.
#7
I think that not only will machines surpass human cognitive power (both precise and intuitive), but they will crush us like a hammer to skittles.
06/17/2008 (3:02 pm)
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I think that not only will machines surpass human cognitive power (both precise and intuitive), but they will crush us like a hammer to skittles.
#8
That is the most disturbing and frightening thing I've heard all day...
If I am too afraid to go to sleep tonight, for fear of my XBOX and PC ganging up on me, I'm blaming YOU.
06/17/2008 (3:39 pm)
Quote:they will crush us like a hammer to skittles.
That is the most disturbing and frightening thing I've heard all day...
If I am too afraid to go to sleep tonight, for fear of my XBOX and PC ganging up on me, I'm blaming YOU.
#9
I suspect that your XBox behemouth is more likely to be the hammer than the cognitive process behind it :-)
Gary (-;
06/17/2008 (3:50 pm)
Quote:If I am too afraid to go to sleep tonight, for fear of my XBOX and PC ganging up on me, I'm blaming YOU.
I suspect that your XBox behemouth is more likely to be the hammer than the cognitive process behind it :-)
Gary (-;
#10
07/01/2008 (5:35 pm)
So Michael's PC is going to use the XBox as a hammer to crush him like a Skittle...? Ouch. Keep the firearms close, Michael... =P
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