Torque, Vista and 64bit operating system?
by Martin Askestad · in General Discussion · 03/29/2007 (1:24 am) · 8 replies
I'm uppgrading my computer to a Core 2 Duo and GeForce 8800 graphics card. And if I understand correctly you can run 64bit versions of windows on a Core 2 Duo. Is there a point in uppgrading to 64bit vista, or should I perhaps continue with 32bit?? I probably want to upgrade to vista regardless since the Gefoce is DirectX10 compatible so I want to try that.
I've read that Torque should be able to run on vista. But I'm still curious about the 64 bit issue. Is it possible to run 64bit windows, and should I do so??
I've read that Torque should be able to run on vista. But I'm still curious about the 64 bit issue. Is it possible to run 64bit windows, and should I do so??
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#2
Personally, I'm in no hurry to upgrade to an immature 64 bit OS that I don't even really want, anyway...but...I'm quite, quite curious indeed to see the benchmark differences. I've got the Core 2 Duo/Ge8800 rig as well, and the sucker SCREAMS as it is...while presumeably not utilizing much of it's capacity.
Let alone optimal use of the dual core....software has a long way to go to catch up with current hardware.
03/29/2007 (9:42 pm)
I don't believe GG has yet succeeded in compiling Torque in a native 64-bit environment, yet. Or at least, they haven't released new code to us.Personally, I'm in no hurry to upgrade to an immature 64 bit OS that I don't even really want, anyway...but...I'm quite, quite curious indeed to see the benchmark differences. I've got the Core 2 Duo/Ge8800 rig as well, and the sucker SCREAMS as it is...while presumeably not utilizing much of it's capacity.
Let alone optimal use of the dual core....software has a long way to go to catch up with current hardware.
#3
currently there is no point on using 64 bit operating systems because there are no enough 64 bit software for a daily use pc... 64 bits are used for workstations on a very specific use.. but they are still abit experimental
no 32 bit app can be run natively on a 64 bit os.. so torque or even winamp if it isnt compiled for 64 bits cpus... they are not going to run at all
also i dont see the point to upgrade to windows vista.. because it is an incomplete and buggy operating system that will only make your life more complicated ( lots of restrictions, lack of drivers, lots of issues and bugs,lots of graphical errors and lot of crashes)... i have the ultimate 32 bit version installed on the second drive.. and i must say im far from impressed...
about the new direct x 10 new geforce i think it was just a marketing thing.. because.. vista doesnt come with direct x 10.. direct x 10 isnt even out yet.. dx10 has been only microsoft marketing hype to force gamers to go buy vista and vista doesnt even come with it.. so whats the deal ....
my advice would be.. wait a couple of months or a year before make the big jump.. and save you some frustrations
Cheers!
03/30/2007 (1:04 am)
Hello... currently there is no point on using 64 bit operating systems because there are no enough 64 bit software for a daily use pc... 64 bits are used for workstations on a very specific use.. but they are still abit experimental
no 32 bit app can be run natively on a 64 bit os.. so torque or even winamp if it isnt compiled for 64 bits cpus... they are not going to run at all
also i dont see the point to upgrade to windows vista.. because it is an incomplete and buggy operating system that will only make your life more complicated ( lots of restrictions, lack of drivers, lots of issues and bugs,lots of graphical errors and lot of crashes)... i have the ultimate 32 bit version installed on the second drive.. and i must say im far from impressed...
about the new direct x 10 new geforce i think it was just a marketing thing.. because.. vista doesnt come with direct x 10.. direct x 10 isnt even out yet.. dx10 has been only microsoft marketing hype to force gamers to go buy vista and vista doesnt even come with it.. so whats the deal ....
my advice would be.. wait a couple of months or a year before make the big jump.. and save you some frustrations
Cheers!
#4
It's my understanding that windows 64bit OS' are fully backwards compatible with all 32bit software. The only downside to running 32bit software on a 64bit OS is that it doesn't take full advantage of the new power or address space.
Directx 10 is a bit of a "chicken and egg" scenario at the moment. Only vista will support directx 10 but no games that use dx10 have been released yet, it's not really a case that vista doesn't come with it more like theres no point for it right now. I don't think windows xp shipped with dx9 but then they never touted that as a main draw I guess.
I do agree on to wait a while yet though. At least until ATI unveils it's dx10 cards, competition will only make prices go down.
03/30/2007 (1:59 am)
@DodongoXPIt's my understanding that windows 64bit OS' are fully backwards compatible with all 32bit software. The only downside to running 32bit software on a 64bit OS is that it doesn't take full advantage of the new power or address space.
Directx 10 is a bit of a "chicken and egg" scenario at the moment. Only vista will support directx 10 but no games that use dx10 have been released yet, it's not really a case that vista doesn't come with it more like theres no point for it right now. I don't think windows xp shipped with dx9 but then they never touted that as a main draw I guess.
I do agree on to wait a while yet though. At least until ATI unveils it's dx10 cards, competition will only make prices go down.
#5
I think Direct3D 10 will only be used fully when its available to at least half of the market.
03/30/2007 (2:53 am)
Yeah I don't see Direct3D 10 or Vista, and especially 64bit version going anyway fast.I think Direct3D 10 will only be used fully when its available to at least half of the market.
#6
www.eikon-games.com/gg/dx10.jpg
03/30/2007 (3:10 am)
Quote:i think it was just a marketing thing.. because.. vista doesnt come with direct x 10.. direct x 10 isnt even out yet..As I understand it DirectX10 is integrated into Vista. Running dxdiag certainly seems to suggest that:
www.eikon-games.com/gg/dx10.jpg
#7
edit: and vista 64-bit is the way to go, especially if you have more than 4 gb of RAM. There is very much a point to running a 64-bit OS if you need access to lots of RAM (which most game developers do)
03/30/2007 (8:52 am)
The nvidia drivers for vista are in a sorry state of affairs atm. I have been running vista since release, but am going back to XP because of the horrible state of nvidias drivers.edit: and vista 64-bit is the way to go, especially if you have more than 4 gb of RAM. There is very much a point to running a 64-bit OS if you need access to lots of RAM (which most game developers do)
#8
03/30/2007 (9:52 am)
Parts of DX10 are integrated into Vista, it's just the full blown API that isn't out yet. D3D 10 is out and in the latest DX9 update since like December or something like that IIRC.
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