LC staff calling me a stalker? lol

#1 Hmmmm, its probably my fault, I added a bit on the end of the LC wikipedia page referencing the fact that it was a Torque based game, and a thread from the forum. It seems to have been replaced by some marketing speak.

I wouldnt fret over it if I were you.

#2 I've played the last couple of updates of the game, and it is definitely a game. It's not extremely far from the Torque demo, but it is definitely different.

As far as the "scam" of pre-orders goes, they do provide a demo; it's not like they're trying to hide what they're selling.

I think you might want to just take a step back, and let these guys roll with what they're doing. If alot of people buy the game and think it sucks, then you can deliver a nice "I told you so". Otherwise, I'd recommend taking a wait and see approach.

#3 Vashnar, maybe you and I can have a discussion and work out our differences. I really don't know how all this got started, or why you are upset with us at Red Planet. If you're up to it, email me andy@gameshout.com and let's talk.

-Andy

#4 Well it's Vashner not Vashnar.

I think everything is well documented on the 1st thread and this was just a stupid rant (well I deleted that part).

I'll discuss it with you as long as the converation is public recorder and not on any site affiliated with Red Planet or LC. Sorry but I like neutral turf otherwise I would of been silenced long ago.

#5 Posting or flaming on "public boards" is what started this mess by you in the first place. We feel that you have completely gone far beyond a normal discussion, to outright bashing a game company and its game. You are basing your facts or statements based on a couple of Inconsistent messages from one developer who already admitted, that he doesn't know it all or everything in development. We have a team of developers which also include 3rd party and from this very same site.

What I find extremely wrongful, is the continuation of your public outbursts, or wrongly judge and accuse our company and/or game of running a scam operation. You have gone completely out of your way, each day, to publically announce and claim these mistruths.

Without rehashing all of your lengthy messages posted on here, or other boards, the bottom line is, we have a game that is launching. Our time table has changed twice because of bugs we found, or new things that the community wanted us to add to our game. As a result, you have taken this to extreme levels by stating that we are lying, or that we don't have a game since we didn't deliver version 1.0 on time. In the world of development, things change, time schedule changes, and I don't think you've been very fair.

As a Torque developer, such as yourself, you should know that time tables change. But posting on public boards and labeling us as liars or running a scam is really an outrage. Do you plan on making your own game? If so, how would you feel if one individual spent all of their free time twisting time tables into lies and telling people that you are running a scam. Or better yet, that your game isn't worth the money.

If you feel we were wrong for accepting early orders, that is your opinion. If you feel that we are charging too much, that is your opinion. But taking your opinions far and beyond and calling us scam artists is wrong.

This message is not to open up a new can of worms, but it is best served to speak openly about this issue. Again, I don't want to rehash everything you put in that other thread, because quite frankly, that entire thread was wrong to be posted.

You need to stop using public bulletin boards as a means to flame other people, companies, and other game projects.

I approach you openly to talk with you, one on one, without a public forum. Whether it be by telephone (772-539-0154) at the office, or by email: andy@gameshout.com

I will not be part of a public discussion because the final outcome will be here soon -- meaning, we will have a video game, thus, it will be tiring and wasteful to debate that fact. We are already on version 0.70 of our pending 1.0 release.

I won't be responding anymore, as I'm sure you will want to flame more than speaking with me one on one.

#6 My answer to this is to read the existing thread again. Otherwise it would be spinning wheels.

#7 BTW next time don't make us have to find out you have a commercial TGEA license from reading wikipedia lol.

I asked you here and you didn't answer. Otherwise I would NOT of assumed you
where breaking the license by stripping the logo.

A simple answer would of saved you that speculation.

Try talking to customers instead of just calling them names then wondering why they don't like your game.

#8 Well, I wanted to reply to the other thread, but because i am generally a hot head and short tempered i did not, but enough is enough Vashner. It is time to stop this garbage.

Why can't you just let us here at Red Planet alone to develop our game? What is it Vashner? why are you acting like such a P**** ?

I just don't understand the mentality of it. We are just trying to make a game, one that is fun to play and pleasing to the eye.

If you don't like the game ignore it and leave us the hell alone.

Regards,
Roland Orr
Developer - Red Planet, LLC.

#9 I don't understand how Jaimi's post got deleted. Was it because of his good response? If you're going to delete postings, then please go ahead and delete that other thread as its very misleading and is complete slander.

-Andy

#10 Well because for one you guys attacked senior members of planetside community. Then I was called Clown and other names.

You don't understand the mentality? Let me explain since you don't want to read the first thread.

You took pre order cash for a build that was less than the TGEA demo.

You told customers lie about the 1st model. You banned any cash paying customer asking hard
questions about the game.

There was not a single mention of the game here or any interaction with our community but you posted the LC was putting DirectX 10 and Shader 4.0 in the game.

Who do you think puts that stuff in? Not you guys...


I just happned to be a planetside community member for over 5 years and a GG member for almost that long.

So I double stepped in your game mess.


You showed no respect for the customer, GG community and fellow devlopers such as Sony for prime example. Your storyline is a complete and utter rip off of Planetside and you even state that in your plans.

What did you expect? Roses and a parade??

#11 1.) We never attacked senior members of any other game community. That is false.

2.) You were called a clown because you keep clowning around on public forums everyday, accusing our company of running a scam operation.

3.) We took pre-orders for a new game that was NOT a TGEA demo. It contained original content. In fact, we even did the terrain. You keep labeling our game as a "TGEA DEMO" when it is not. That is complete false.

4.) We never lied to our customers (are you considered a customer? I don't remember you pre-ordering. We just see you as another Torque developer taking punches at our hardwork) about our player models. One developer made a mistake and said we made them ourselves. Ok, he admitted that he was misinformed and they were purchased by another modeler because we liked his work. You then ran with that stating that we were liars. Totally wrong on your part, and our customers didn't care where the model came from, or who did it, they liked it.

5.) We banned 1 cash paying member and gave him a complete refund. You have taken that 1 cash paid member and turned it into "you ban any cash member or customer" when we do not. We have rules of conduct on our site. He was banned for that.

6.) There wasn't a single mention on this site about Lost Colony, because we kept it quiet for over a year. Thanks to you, now everybody knows about it before we were ready to show it. We figured once we distribute the game, then we would post it on here and perhaps even try for the GG store. Thanks you to, you probably RUINED our chances of that ever happening with all your public outbursts and calling us scam artists.

7.) What we have posted about our game, regarding DX9, Shader, etc.. are "game features" that are posted on our site. Last time I read a PC game that showed a full feature list, they didn't mention Microsoft one time. All we did was show a list on what the game is capable on doing. It's still posted on our site if you want to read it.

8.) We show a lot of respect to our customers, however, we haven't showed you any respect because of your daily activities. You keep calling yourself a "Lost Colony customer" which you are not.

9.) We did not rip off Planetside storyline. I challenge anyone, to go read the storyline for Planetside, then go read our storyline. They are 2 complete different storylines. In addition to our storyline, we have weekly episodes which Planetside does not.

We didn't expect any roses or parade, as you may think. We just don't understand why this is all such a big deal to you. I can read the dates and times on all your messages on all the public boards where you have bashed our company and our game. They are about 10 minutes apart, as you rally up more support to convince people that we are running somekind of scam. We are not.

Additionally, we have made about 95% of our own models. You have taken that 1 player model we purchased and made false allegations that we don't do our own work.

-Andy

#12 Dude look at your VERY first post on the GG site or any member of LC staff ..

Quote:It's the holidays, which means, school is out, and the same 7 people from the Planetside forums that are lying, calling our game a scam, and promoting this "drama" have already come here and signed up under aliases pretending to be developers, or a Torque pros.

Do you really want me to debunk the rest of your points? I think we already documented the art issue and claims about how you guys are working close with GG community and staff etc.

Also your older storylines on your website even said "like planetside". Just admit it that's your target or influence. Instead you just go nuts about how it's not..

We are not stupid...

#13 Geeze. I've hardly read these threads, and am already tired of it. Can you guys both go back to Planetside and flame each other away?

#14 If 95% of your models are your own, then you should probably post that stuff in your forums, instead of threads like this:
www.lostcolonygame.com/forums/showthread.php?t=523
People around here recognize about everything in those screenshots thread on your forums, except for the buildings and maybe the weapons. Most other stuff you guys show is coming from content packs from here, or from www.3drt.com/, or other art sources. Which isn't bad... but I think its normal people start asking questions when you sell pre-orders, but most of the screenshots you showed until then were just put together with content packs, and a alpha version that was basically the TGEA demo.
I think if you guys want to stop these accusations, all you can do is create a game that has everything in it you have claimed so far. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. Go ahead, prove everyone wrong!
And shut up now, too much has been said already. Otherwise this won't stop. I shouldn't have posted this... but couldn't resist i guess.

#15 That doesn't debunk anything Vashner. What I said in that statement is true. You have gone around publically from public board to public board, bashing our company and game. Also, we don't admit that Planetside is our target or influence, because its the only game of its genre right now.

== A WARNING TO ALL TORQUE DEVELOPERS ==

In this recent case of Vashner purposely going out of his way to bash our company (Red Planet, LLC) and our game project which has several other Torque developers, this same thing could happen to you.

We charge for our game to pay our development staff, and to pay 3rd party developers for their work.

In Vashner's case, he has gone out of his way to spread and make false allegations about our company and about our product. As a result, he has already harmed the company in revenue by labeling us as scam artists, twisting misunderstandings to complete lies, in order to convince other people that our company is committing fraud.

You could be a victim of this activity by people like Vashner also, and I'll explain more on why this is hurting business.

If you go on GOOGLE right now and type "lost colony game", you will see Vashner's efforts in the search directory. The thread that he posted on here at GarageGames.com is ranked #2, which is serving as a loaded weapon from GG's site and Vashner. The entire thread is speculation about our company, game project, and most of all, LIES. Complete lies and false allegations. Slander at best.

This same thing could happen to you.

-Andy

#16 I can't see where anything he said was "false". He was more inquiring on "why" certain things were the way they are. You gotta admit, some of the things "claimed" did make it look fishy.

#17 While I am aware there are issues that are "interesting" to the general Torque community, these forums are not designed or intended to be used for this purpose.

Formal warning to ALL community members:

Please cease and desist from discussing these issues on our forums. We are in no way related to the development company in question other than they are utilizing our technology.

Further discussions should take place privately, or somewhere else. The only involvement GarageGames will have with this topic in the future is investigating and protecting our licensing of our products, and products published on our site.