And again gaming gets the blame! [CNN

#81 One of the best books on statistics since 1954, and always in a shiny new edition.

As a long-time reader of alt.tasteless, I am never surprised to see things like Columbine simulators or things like Rape the Coed or Ethnic Cleansing hit the streets. Disgusted, yes, but that comes down to my biases with moral and ethical thresholds for such things.

@Mogartin
It might be a good idea if you look at the mental health industry in a historical context. First, start with an investigation into how it shifted way back in the day as social philosophy shifted significantly. Madness and Civilization: A History of Insanity in the Age of Reason. It, of course, can be traced further back to the shift from exteriority in the renaissance to the interiority of the restoration or further back to the institutionalization of those who have transcended their minds to explore a realm closer to that of godliness. Note that this is a Western Euro-centric thought-history that you can trace. Then moving into the realm of clinical practices in the United States from the turn of the century to the deinstitutionalization practices of various administrations. And then sit down and look at the clinician's spread of what constitutes as a "mental hospital" since you seem to be generalizing in the extreme to anything which has to do with "the mind" as a condition which requires a "mental hospital". If that were the case, then you could start counting the beds in trauma units, count the number of people who are receiving sleep and depression medication even for minor problems.

But I would still recommend Madness and Civilization, as well as Discipline and Punish. Mainly because I like to recommend Foucault to people. I don't recommend Bourdieu's Outline of a Theory of Practice or Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation (though many people who have seen the Matrix globbed onto it and then began to wonder what the hell Baudrillard was going on about with his copies without originals).

"Adult content" is a nebulous marker at best which, in American pop culture has constituted profanity, bikini's and other forms of "indecent" exposure, hardcore pornography of all tracts, legal and illegal, and often holds a tinge of an illegal taboo bias. Adult content in terms of violence has often been linked to the "how real is too real?" argument. The Guinea Pig films from Japan, were banned for release in America for a long time because Charlie Sheen had seen one of them and thought that it was a snuff film because of the way it was shot. In actuality, it was done by one of the first commercial special FX studios in Japan that had been created to work on horror and action films. If you watch them, it becomes obvious (mainly through editing and stylistic choices) that they were not snuff films. Grotesque, yes. With more eye torture than the Italian masters of horror? Yes. But not snuff by any means. By "Adult content" in your description, I am going to assume hardcore pornography as your frame of reference.

Experience is extremely valuable, but you seem to be privileging personal experience over any critical discourse.

Of course, if we wanted to talk stomachs, I watched a show on Animal Planet about extreme eaters. Number one was the honey bee since it has a second stomach that it can fill until it weighs almost as much as the bee itself. Then it takes its cargo back to the hive where it is sucked out and and constantly regurgitated up to 30 times by another bee who then stores it in the honeycomb. So I think that bees are relevant to this stomach business.

Of course, I have no idea what this has to do with videogames even in the context of this incident.

My constructive criticism of this topic:
I hate old people.

I think they should be killed at birth.

#82 @Morgatin - can you repost that same thread a 4th time, I think I missed it =P

#83 Sorry Jon, I punched refresh and it reposted...

@David Blake
Thank you, You have pointed to a few good reading sources. And you are correct, With my 10% I am generalizing ALL with mental problems, not just those few extream cases, whe at one time were among the more general problematics, that had somehow escaladed to that extent... There are all kinds of effects from amnesia to total loss of self control from head tramas.

Yes, I was in referancing hardcore to mild in that aspect.

Yes, I give personal experiance ALOT more credit than anyone else's writings on the subject, and I expect others to do the same, it is what allows for a more dramatic effect of oppinions when discussing topics, and even if it does not seem like it, I am extreamly open minded about many things. ("ANY book can be rewritten to the liking of the current consensus" Thus it becomes exceadingly difficult to give credit to many things, unless it is an original and not a copy. Can be seen in the news where they take particulars to build a full case leaving many holes, as with my own observations, tho with me, I am looking for imput from others, while they are not.)

Since I have no bassis on observing beez, I can not really get into discussion on it. Tho will problably wind up referancing your statement the next time with, "I read" when concerning a topic on beez...

The context when from Him killing, to humans being carnivours with the need to hunt as the base line for this curve ball. Hunting in the game to hunting in reality... Wich is the reason I am defending humans as a whole.

EDIT: Oh wow, an edit by me :P

@jonathon- about that sight you sent me to... Horses also have a complex stomache structure. And it is about dogs not wolves is why I did not really want to discuss it... About Dogs and humans... Dogs are more simular to humans than wolves are. Dogs also have a taste for sweet things, and prefer dog food over any live or fresh meat. Dog food is cooked and dried meats and breading.

#84 Personal experience and critical organization of "knowledge", cognitive theory, social construction, and empirical research are all extremely valid aspects of how we work, interact, learn, and evaluate the world around us. Gender, race, class, and the mores of morality and ethics also play severe intermeshed and often conflicting roles in how we define ourselves in relation to the world around us. Speaking for all humanity is a hegemonic process which only touches on the basics of individual representation since those speaking on things such as "human nature" are speaking from a certain position of privilege with automatically works toward the de-privileging of another group as context shifts.

But I, as a bias, privilege practice (especially discursive) practice over rhetorical dramatics. This is surprising to some involved in theatre and communications (as I am) which often appears on the surface concerned primarily with rhetoric and "dramatics" of personal subjectivity--do not get me wrong, there are whole schools of thought dedicated to rhetoric; I simply privilege discursive practice over surface rhetoric since deep rhetoric and discourse are so intermeshed one loses identity in the other.

In your examination of written work (which can be extended to speech acts, media representation, political propaganda, etc), you seem to fall on the far extreme of cultural relativism intermixed with the flavor of deconstruction and nihilism (or at least criticism leveled towards the last two). You seem to be privileging personal experience at the expense of social experience rather than as inclusive within social experience. And yet you are making a leap of logic in inscribing your personal experience, knowledge, biases, and ignorances upon the social body of all humanity.

I have to question the scale that you're using which puts dogs closer to humans than wolves, though. Especially since dogs and wolves share the same genus (canis). Domestication has changed them significantly from their wild brethren, but not to the extent that you seem to be emphasizing. You seem to be using a comparative diet of domestication. Perhaps an extreme example of indigenous tribes which would file their teeth would be a better example on a dietary and physical rendering of flesh level. Even though such tribes were rare and had both physical and spiritual associations which easily go far beyond a simple dietary argument. It would just be a better argument. Not a particularly cogent one by any means, but a better one.

#85 After doing some basic searches for a more recent consensus of internet activities, I found that the quallity of internet has indeed made drastic changes over the past 5 years alone, thanks to such groups as the ISOC ( http://www.isoc.org/news/2.shtml ), who activly partisipate in the needs of the internet. And cause of the demand for education on the internet is on the rise (15% of thier funds go into education), different groups have effectivelly increased the available resourses for education. Thus I am forced to retract my previous statement on internet activity, and given that the concensus was 1) 9 years old, and 2) was over 100%, was indeed invalid.

In normal, concensus data rarely ever changes, and I have not really browsed the internet very often cause of all the porn sights that kept interfearing with true search results. Durring my search effort for a more recent concensus, there were 34,600,000 results, page 1 constisted of 3 porn sight... That alone discuraged my efforts to loacting a more recent servey. Determined to locate one, I pressed on... Still not having found a more recent concensus of data, I am increasingly finding it more likely that I will not find any recent data of "things on the internet". Or I am unable to think of the proper key words to lacate the data that I am searching for. For 6 years, I have not done massive searches, sheltering my computer from the onslaught of porn sights... I must say, it is safer now than before against those sights, tho many may still creap in.

Tim, thank you for the link to the encyclopedia, it carries alot of weight... Still, 22.5 pounds is alot of meat to eat. And if the female wolf is alone, she will eat alot more than that to regurgitate to her cubs over the course of 3-4 days... I like the grey wolf as well, Wolves are awsome creatures.

Mental institutions are very wide spread, and have progressed to many areas and different aspects over the years to include Home bound patients... There is no way to accuratelly obtain a consensus data, for the privecy of the patients, prevent the Asylums to give any data on number of patients being treated vrs. number of beds. It's just like running into a brick wall trying to ask a few basic questions. It's possiable that I am not asking the propper questions. In either case, I will be unable to conduct any kind of viable reasearch on the subject of mental patients, and to what degree of care is needed for each group. (Already knowing that each indavidual is unique, and each require a different amount and type of care.) This data is not readilly available on the internet either. A rough number of beds available will not give any kind of accuracy, cause of outpatients, and very seldome is the ward ever full, they like to make sure they have beds available, just in case...

(NOTE: Consenus data is exseedingly hard to come by, except for indavidual companies and what they spend thier fund for. Making any future consensus data inacurate, as the number of people who partisipate monthly will fluctuate drastically, and the number of people are usually singled out within a financial range, and is poorly distributed evenly in this range, as well as male vrs. female ratio to add to the consensus data being inaccurate (discovered durring my searches). In liu with this new set of facts, I will now avoid statistical reviews.)