Torque Engine Demo on Linspire 5.0
by Thomas Scott · in Torque Game Engine · 04/18/2005 (11:56 am) · 9 replies
Has anyone else tried the Torque Demo on a system running Linspire 5.0? I just purchased Linspire 5.0 and have it installed as a dual boot on my HP machine. When I run the demo installation for the Torque Engine, I see the first screen of the installation process, but when I press the next button it crashes with a sgementation fault.
My system is a P4 3.0Ghz with GeForceFX 5700 128MB, 512MB system RAM.
Also, I've successfully run the demo on my alternate WindowsXP boot so this is most likely a Linspire issue and not a hardware issue although drivers could be at fault as well.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
My system is a P4 3.0Ghz with GeForceFX 5700 128MB, 512MB system RAM.
Also, I've successfully run the demo on my alternate WindowsXP boot so this is most likely a Linspire issue and not a hardware issue although drivers could be at fault as well.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
#2
Needless to say I am very upset.
04/18/2005 (12:15 pm)
Linspire 5.0 on my machine with a Radeon 9600 the Torque2D demo runs fine, haven't tried the TGE demo. I was impressed. Linspire was the only distro so far that actually gave me full support for my radeon including acceleration. I was so impressed I bought it. Then found out how frickin limiting they made it. Its as bad as Windows. Maybe even worse. Its more stable sure, but it hides/disables/prevents practicly every advanced operation you want to do. Forcing you to do things thier way.Needless to say I am very upset.
#3
Maybe you should read before you buy then. Linspire is designed for end users who are not hackers. We have 2 dev machines running Linspire 5,9 now, mainly because we have released Lore on it, and yes you have to do extra configuration to get things working for development, but from a end users perspective it runs pretty much out of the box, and their CNR solutions is a really nice update solution.
With That said Linspire 5.0 is recently out, I would goto their gmers forums and see if anyone else has had this issue. I know the Lore runs relaitvely smoothly on 5.0 so I am not sure what the issue maybe.
04/18/2005 (12:27 pm)
John,Maybe you should read before you buy then. Linspire is designed for end users who are not hackers. We have 2 dev machines running Linspire 5,9 now, mainly because we have released Lore on it, and yes you have to do extra configuration to get things working for development, but from a end users perspective it runs pretty much out of the box, and their CNR solutions is a really nice update solution.
With That said Linspire 5.0 is recently out, I would goto their gmers forums and see if anyone else has had this issue. I know the Lore runs relaitvely smoothly on 5.0 so I am not sure what the issue maybe.
#4
I bought it because it DOES run great right out of the box. I was just upset that so much in it seems to be hamstrung to purposely force you into doing things there way ala Microsoft. Its all centered around using thier update service (subscript based) and using thier custom packages.
I'll admit I should have spent some more time with it, but when I was evaluating it I was just looking at how well it ran out of the box. I assumed it was like every other distro I had tried as far as configuration went, but I guess that's what I get for assuming.
Oh and BTW yeah I saw Lore on thier CNR :) I made a mental note to talk with you guys to see how you arranged that :D
04/18/2005 (12:32 pm)
@Adrian,I bought it because it DOES run great right out of the box. I was just upset that so much in it seems to be hamstrung to purposely force you into doing things there way ala Microsoft. Its all centered around using thier update service (subscript based) and using thier custom packages.
I'll admit I should have spent some more time with it, but when I was evaluating it I was just looking at how well it ran out of the box. I assumed it was like every other distro I had tried as far as configuration went, but I guess that's what I get for assuming.
Oh and BTW yeah I saw Lore on thier CNR :) I made a mental note to talk with you guys to see how you arranged that :D
#5
I'm not sure how to handle video driver issues in Linspire 5.0. I'm very familiar with installing nVidia drivers on RedHat Linux machines, but I'm a little leary of trying it on Linspire since it seems to work very differently. For example, there isn't a /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file.
Anyone know the procedure for installing the latest nVidia drivers on Linspire. If not, I'll post on the Linspire forums and see where that gets me.
04/18/2005 (1:22 pm)
I think my OpenGL is fine. I downloaded and ran Quake 2 from CNR and it worked just fine in OpenGL mode 1024x768.I'm not sure how to handle video driver issues in Linspire 5.0. I'm very familiar with installing nVidia drivers on RedHat Linux machines, but I'm a little leary of trying it on Linspire since it seems to work very differently. For example, there isn't a /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file.
Anyone know the procedure for installing the latest nVidia drivers on Linspire. If not, I'll post on the Linspire forums and see where that gets me.
#6
04/19/2005 (6:13 am)
Their support folks have been excellent, and with the debut of Lore on Linspire, will probably be able to help you quickly.
#7
It also doesn't force you into a subscription model, in fact you can configure it to entirely use mirrors for everything and then Novell won't keep begging you for money.
Downside is that to take FULL advantage of your graphics capabilities with the Radeon card you will have to do a little kernel hacking, but there is a complete guide to fixing radeon issues buried deep in the SuSE Linux ftp vaults.
04/19/2005 (9:06 am)
@John, you would be an excellent candidate for SuSE, it's pretty much entirely Automagic, supports 99% of hardware correctly out of the box, but yet lets you tweak and peak most things to your hearts content.It also doesn't force you into a subscription model, in fact you can configure it to entirely use mirrors for everything and then Novell won't keep begging you for money.
Downside is that to take FULL advantage of your graphics capabilities with the Radeon card you will have to do a little kernel hacking, but there is a complete guide to fixing radeon issues buried deep in the SuSE Linux ftp vaults.
#8
So yesterday before work I staretd up a Debian netinstall and let it download while I was at work. Came home and finished it up. Everythign was nice but of course it was ultra-light and supported nada.
This morning I got KDE up and running and following some text on the internet and a book on Linux I bought I managed to *gasp* install the AT driver, compile a kernel module for it, and get it all setup. I now have full acceleration!! Woo! Amazing!
Now i'm taking the next big step -- By default as I said Debian seems very lightweight. It has no kernel support for vfat or ntfs so i'm in the process of doing the next *gasp* which is compiling my own kernel. Just spent what seems like 5 hours gogin through all the config options lol and just started the compile. In a few hours we'll see how succesful I was :)
04/19/2005 (10:22 am)
Frustrated with the limitations on Linspire I decided to play around a bit and said wel lwhy don't I just jump straight into the deep end of the pool and have at it. Worst that can happen is I break linux, which i've done several times anyway.So yesterday before work I staretd up a Debian netinstall and let it download while I was at work. Came home and finished it up. Everythign was nice but of course it was ultra-light and supported nada.
This morning I got KDE up and running and following some text on the internet and a book on Linux I bought I managed to *gasp* install the AT driver, compile a kernel module for it, and get it all setup. I now have full acceleration!! Woo! Amazing!
Now i'm taking the next big step -- By default as I said Debian seems very lightweight. It has no kernel support for vfat or ntfs so i'm in the process of doing the next *gasp* which is compiling my own kernel. Just spent what seems like 5 hours gogin through all the config options lol and just started the compile. In a few hours we'll see how succesful I was :)
#9
04/19/2005 (12:40 pm)
It would be MUCH quicker to scrap your debian install and do a stage 3 install of Gentoo (Much better support for your hardware and IMHO alot easier to maintain), also the support docs for Gentoo are alot better.
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