Develop Web Pages with Torque Indie

#1 Torque has no HTML editing capability.

#2 While it would be an interesting endeavor to integrate a WYSIWYG editor for HTML into Torque complete with XML style definitions, PDF export features, and Quark Express and Pagemaker layout exporting features, it's much like creating a new engine from scratich.

It'd be better to use existing tools such as Dreamweaver or Notepad for your HTML editing and Quark or PageMaker for your advanced print layout needs.

#3 Thanks Ben and David altering torque with WYSWYG capabilities would be pretty awesome.

#4 Can I just ask why you would want to create Web pages using a game engine? I can't think of an obvious reason for doing so when there are already so many specialised programs available (including free ones).

#5 Usually if you can use the same application to implement projects it would make life eaiser, instead of using different programs. I find that applications made under the same companies have better capabilites and have lesser conflicts.
I am curious what free programs are you talking about??

#6 Most web browsers have some sort of capibility to create HTML Pages for free. See Mozilla 1.7.2 at http://www.mozilla.org/

There are tons of others free ones too. Do a search at http://www.downloads.com/

#7 Whilst an IDE (Integrated Development Environment) built around Torque and related third party tools might make life easier, creating web pages isn't really an integral part of the game creation process.

I mean, you're unlikely to be sitting there adjusting a model or working on the terrain and suddenly think to yourself "I just need to create/edit a web page so I can test these changes".

Using third party tools does have certain advantages, the most obvious of which is that the developer can choose one (s)he is already familiar with instead of learning something (else) completely new.

Also, anything built directly into TGE would increase the size of the executable you need to distribute with your games.

There are many free HTML editors available, for example this page lists almost 40. Most text editors aimed at programmers also cater for those coding in HTML.

Personally, I use Evrsoft's 1st Page 2000 for HTML and CrimsonEditor for Perl and PHP, although I have recently started using Brain Editor Pro (not free, but cheap) with Torque.

#8

Quote:Most web browsers have some sort of capibility to create HTML Pages for free. See Mozilla 1.7.2 at http://www.mozilla.org/

There are tons of others free ones too. Do a search at http://www.downloads.com/

LOL for some reason I thought you meant free html editors that you could download or something. I know about the free browsers and they are quite limited as far as templates. Some of them do not support some types of markup languages, any way these are very good sugestions becasue I have not tried Mozilla or going to dowloads.com to seek out the browser programs. It looks interesting and I just may check it out. Dreamweaver can override the templates for most web browsers. Thanks for these cool links, and downloads is a great page for many souces of information.

#9 ROFL!

#10 I did mean standalone editors that you can download, and so did Dan in the latter half of his post. Try following some of the links we posted (except the Mozilla one if you don't want a browser based editor).

#11

Quote:Personally, I use Evrsoft's 1st Page 2000 for HTML and CrimsonEditor for Perl and PHP, although I have recently started using Brain Editor Pro (not free, but cheap) with Torque

I was thinking of purchasing DreamWeaver, I heard it was a pretty cool program, however if I could get a pretty good editor that is cheaper I will go for that instead.

Personally what do you think about DW's performance vs. CrimsonEditor or the other programs you mentioned...is it really worth the cost??

#12

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LOL for some reason I thought you meant free html editors

Mozilla 1.7.2 does have a built in html WYSIWYG editor that you get for free when you download the browser. I used to use the Netscape version when I was responsible for update of a web site. Not bad for straight HTML type pages.

#13 Crimson Editor is basically a text editor with syntax highlighting and custom macros. It isn't a specialised HTML editor, and definitely doesn't have WYSIWYG capabilities.

I didn't get on with Dreamweaver 2 when I tried it, as there were too many free-floating windows. I ended up editing the HTML code directly, so most of it's time-saving features didn't actually save me any time.

Newer versions may not be so cumbersome, and personal preference is also part of the equation, so you might want to download a trial version from Macromedia.com.

Sausage.com (aka HotDog) offer a reasonably priced and capable WYSIWYG editor, as do CoffeeCup. Both have trial versions available.

The rating system at Nonags (which I gave a link for earlier) is a reasonably good guide when choosing the free software listed there.

#14 If you are not a web developer (or don't care to learn), you can download HTML templates, so all you have to do is fill in the content.

Websites do NOT need any special programs to create them, HTML and CSS are just text files. If you want to give me some idea of what you want, I could probably thow together a basic template (html/css) for you.

The learning curve of Torque is steep enough without sprinkling in web-devel into the mix.:)

ArmedGeek

#15 Wow,.... integrating the engine with javascript and vrml would be an excellent thing to do...

#16 Wysardry

Quote:The rating system at Nonags (which I gave a link for earlier) is a reasonably good guide when choosing the free software listed there.

I totally agree it's just like a candy store :-) I've saved it to favorites

#17 Robert West

Quote:Websites do NOT need any special programs to create them, HTML and CSS are just text files. If you want to give me some idea of what you want, I could probably thow together a basic template (html/css) for you.

Wow thanks I will keep you in mind just in case I can not get things started. How much do you charge?

#18 Tysha,
I'm really into Linux/OSS, so I'm pretty community-oriented. For something simple (header, menu, content block, footer) without graphics, I could thow together in about 15-20 minutes and I'll do it for free.

Keep in mind, css layouts, html templates, etc. can be found on the 'net for free.
check: freesitetemplates.com/templates/browse/speed-demons/

My work focuses on speed and simplicity. Content over presentation.

check here too: www.lonestarcode.com/templates/simple/

This is just something I threw together, it uses the navigation system from LoneStarCode (me).

If you have any problems, let me know at 'my first name' at westbaker dot net

-Robert

#19 Robert West I would love for you to make up a page for me in template, I had Halloween in mind. :-)