Resistance group game
by Christhoper Taylor · in Game Design and Creative Issues · 11/26/2003 (8:35 pm) · 32 replies
This is an idea thats been floating around for a while in my head - when I saw Freedom Fighters I felt almost happy. But then I played it - damnit, another pile of stinking filth. Communists invading a land where so many people have guns and everyone seems to be able to fight like a bloody Navy SEAL. Yuck. It defeats the point of such a concept.
So, heres the deal - no Americans. No Communists. Maybe you Americans like to see New York, but the rest of the world is sick of it - plus, you guys have so many guns - whats so hard about a resistance game when you can take your character to a house and grab a gun under the bed just like that?
Initially, I wanted to do Australia (I'm Australian) - after a shooting rampage many years ago we have very little in the way of guns lying about and not many people would know one end from the other. We're a western nation (despite what some people think) and so forth - that was perfect. Thing is, who the hell could be arsed rendering a nation - especially one the size of the main part of the USA (minus Alaska).
So, its a fictional land - Western in nature, perhaps Australia is an ideal influence - we're looking at a place with a small population rather than one with many people who are armed.
Now, this game would be boring as first person shooter - everyone does that. Maybe FPS can be an aspect, but maybe not - I don't think its essential.
If you've played Raft Away River on Apple IIe, some parts may sound familiar - your characters can develop (through using stuff rather than manually allocating points) in several areas, you can recruit people, gather equipment and so forth.
Its a top down game - perhaps a view similar to an RTS, but zoomed in. Maybe like the view in Fallout tactics, but not that close. Somewhere in between. Your characters have limited carrying capacity, the experience and do need to do what people need to do (i.e. eat, sleep) - essentialy a military game, but one with a large focus on planning.
Should you build a camp? If you do, your people can rest and you can store weapons and stuff, but what happens if planes flying overhead see it?
How should you get weapons? Should you sneak into an army facility and steal them? Should scavenge them from destroyed vehicles and so forth? Speaking of vehicles, you can drive them in a similar fashion to the Commandos games - one guy drives and other people who enter become passengers or gunners. Gunners, of course, would automatically fire on ememies if a certain check box was ticked.
When you come to the battles, it plays out like commandos - at the bottom you have your team members, each of which are carrying different items and can perform specific tasks - most are civilians, but maybe you can find soldiers (from your side) and get them to join you. Seeing this nation is like Australia in nature, people from many races (we're very multicultural) could play a part - say the enemy is Indonesia (we'd make it another fictional nation, inspired by Indonesia though), we could get immigrants from that nation to steal an enemy uniform and then get around that way.
Missions wouldn't be set as such - you'd be encouraged to do certain things (i.e. blow up an airfield, sabotage fuel, attack docks, assassinate a general, blow up a bridge, destroy train tracks) but you'd pretty much be able to decide what, how and when to tackle things - after all, this is not the military. That said, if the army find you and think you're more useful for their cause rather than a risk they might ask you to do things for them - every job you do results in you receiving equipment and perhaps skill boosts (training).
So, heres the deal - no Americans. No Communists. Maybe you Americans like to see New York, but the rest of the world is sick of it - plus, you guys have so many guns - whats so hard about a resistance game when you can take your character to a house and grab a gun under the bed just like that?
Initially, I wanted to do Australia (I'm Australian) - after a shooting rampage many years ago we have very little in the way of guns lying about and not many people would know one end from the other. We're a western nation (despite what some people think) and so forth - that was perfect. Thing is, who the hell could be arsed rendering a nation - especially one the size of the main part of the USA (minus Alaska).
So, its a fictional land - Western in nature, perhaps Australia is an ideal influence - we're looking at a place with a small population rather than one with many people who are armed.
Now, this game would be boring as first person shooter - everyone does that. Maybe FPS can be an aspect, but maybe not - I don't think its essential.
If you've played Raft Away River on Apple IIe, some parts may sound familiar - your characters can develop (through using stuff rather than manually allocating points) in several areas, you can recruit people, gather equipment and so forth.
Its a top down game - perhaps a view similar to an RTS, but zoomed in. Maybe like the view in Fallout tactics, but not that close. Somewhere in between. Your characters have limited carrying capacity, the experience and do need to do what people need to do (i.e. eat, sleep) - essentialy a military game, but one with a large focus on planning.
Should you build a camp? If you do, your people can rest and you can store weapons and stuff, but what happens if planes flying overhead see it?
How should you get weapons? Should you sneak into an army facility and steal them? Should scavenge them from destroyed vehicles and so forth? Speaking of vehicles, you can drive them in a similar fashion to the Commandos games - one guy drives and other people who enter become passengers or gunners. Gunners, of course, would automatically fire on ememies if a certain check box was ticked.
When you come to the battles, it plays out like commandos - at the bottom you have your team members, each of which are carrying different items and can perform specific tasks - most are civilians, but maybe you can find soldiers (from your side) and get them to join you. Seeing this nation is like Australia in nature, people from many races (we're very multicultural) could play a part - say the enemy is Indonesia (we'd make it another fictional nation, inspired by Indonesia though), we could get immigrants from that nation to steal an enemy uniform and then get around that way.
Missions wouldn't be set as such - you'd be encouraged to do certain things (i.e. blow up an airfield, sabotage fuel, attack docks, assassinate a general, blow up a bridge, destroy train tracks) but you'd pretty much be able to decide what, how and when to tackle things - after all, this is not the military. That said, if the army find you and think you're more useful for their cause rather than a risk they might ask you to do things for them - every job you do results in you receiving equipment and perhaps skill boosts (training).
#2
Just a thought that might help you polish up this game idea.
12/04/2003 (7:30 pm)
Just a thought that might interest you, I think you've forgotten the main way guerilla groups without access to advanced military hardware get their weapons and explosives. Making them from scratch. With a still and nitrator setup and a basic metal machining workshop you can make a variety of explosive and detonators for use in grenades, shaped charges and mines, and all sorts of weapons from simple one shot match guns to fully autonmatic weapons. Personally I wouldn't like to go up against a modern infantry section with only a submachine gun made at home out of steel pipe but that's the reality of guerilla fighting in many parts of the world.Just a thought that might help you polish up this game idea.
#3
Also, guerillas are very, very good at what they do - just look at the resistance in Iraq.
12/04/2003 (10:01 pm)
I figured in making explosives - just forgot to post it. I was thinking until you found support from the army you'd stick to traps, sneaking around and the afore mentioned explosives to access weapons.Also, guerillas are very, very good at what they do - just look at the resistance in Iraq.
#4
12/06/2003 (1:10 pm)
I got an idea for ya, you should be able to use everything as a weapon. For example: You can pick up a beer bottle and smash it on someones head, or you could just use a 2x4. ;-)
#5
12/27/2003 (7:37 pm)
I'm a little lost on the view in the game. Will it be FPS? if so that would be nice. The game sounds like a great idea but in need of more detail.
#6
I personally enjoyed Freedom Fighters, and played it through to the end. Its definately got its shortcomings, but its far better than the majority of bullshit I have played lately. The storyline follows what WOULD have happened if Russia dropped the bomb on Berlin in WWII; its one of the better alternate endings to WWII and the aftermath. We even get to see how that effected events leading up to now. The ingame news broadcasts propelled the story along nicely, especially after the Russians take over all media.
Freedom Fighters was a pleasant surprise, and when you finally gather enough Charisma to lead 12 bots into street battles, its simply a blast (at least on XBox). Its unfortunate that it lacks coopertive.
So if you can create a game better than this highly underrated game, Kudos to you.
12/27/2003 (8:01 pm)
Um, first of all, not everyone in the US has a gun. Even fewer know how to wield it.I personally enjoyed Freedom Fighters, and played it through to the end. Its definately got its shortcomings, but its far better than the majority of bullshit I have played lately. The storyline follows what WOULD have happened if Russia dropped the bomb on Berlin in WWII; its one of the better alternate endings to WWII and the aftermath. We even get to see how that effected events leading up to now. The ingame news broadcasts propelled the story along nicely, especially after the Russians take over all media.
Freedom Fighters was a pleasant surprise, and when you finally gather enough Charisma to lead 12 bots into street battles, its simply a blast (at least on XBox). Its unfortunate that it lacks coopertive.
So if you can create a game better than this highly underrated game, Kudos to you.
#7
12/27/2003 (9:06 pm)
Randall: it's hard for those of us in the USA to understand just how few guns people in some countries have. In Britain, for example, the police do not carry firearms. And they don't need to -- most criminals don't carry them, either. This is a situation that is just hard to comprehend in the States, but it is a reality. From that perspective, it is understandable why Christhoper Taylor would consider us "awash in guns."
#8
One would expect that NYC would be a scary place to live, considering the number of people and potential gun ownership. However, the freaky militants in Montana and Northern Idaho are far scarier. I felt safer walking around Manhattan- even at night (although there are certainly some areas I would NEVER venture)
As long as the NRA is around, weapons in the US are here to stay.
12/27/2003 (9:43 pm)
Yes, I know about the UK... several of my friends and relatives live there. Although they have never said anything about the overwhelming number of guns in the US. Probably because every one of them have actually paid a visit to the US.One would expect that NYC would be a scary place to live, considering the number of people and potential gun ownership. However, the freaky militants in Montana and Northern Idaho are far scarier. I felt safer walking around Manhattan- even at night (although there are certainly some areas I would NEVER venture)
As long as the NRA is around, weapons in the US are here to stay.
#9
12/28/2003 (2:00 am)
But still - you have more guns, gun related incidents, military hardware (and so on and so on) then anyone else. You're THE world super power - maybe not every kid has a gun or knows how to blow off a pee's dick at twenty paces, but you're still more... armed and dangerous... then any other Western nation.
#10
12/28/2003 (12:31 pm)
Actually as long as the second amemdment is around and people are to stand up the namby pamby liberals we will have privately owned arms.
#11
12/28/2003 (6:11 pm)
Bingo. There's the attitude as well - I'm not knocking it and this isn't an insult on your nation, but you guys do have this attitude. Australians, Brits, New Zealanders and other Westeners don't have it - some do, but a gun isn't seen as a nessecary item unless you live out on a farm or something. If someone breaks into my house I couldn't touch him - in some places you might shoot the bastard without a second thought, but in Australia you'd get in trouble if you so much as punched him. That doesn't make us 'namby pamby', it makes us different - and yea, vunerable. If Indonesia (or anyone else) every decided to invade us, we'd be stuffed - even with our military being rather skilled and having strong allies such as the UK and US.
#12
12/28/2003 (9:56 pm)
I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I don't know a single person with a gun. Much less deeming it a necessity.
#13
Let me explain the weapons situation here - yes, we have gangs and crime and all that. Knifes are popular, but we have barely any gun killings - at all. Your police carry shotguns in their cars, ours just have a pissy little revolver. We can't own semi autos, we're very restrictive in the weapons we have.
Our cities are totally different to yours, even though we both live in Western nations - shit, you can't live in most of our nation. People live all over yours, meaning if they all took up arms (or aided in some way) then the invaders would have one hell of a job.
Go grab a map of Australia from Google image search - I, like almost everyone, live on the Eastern seaboard. You wouldn't want to live in most of the west and central parts of it.
Our cities, in general, are small - we have a handful. You guys have heaps, they're huge and some hold several million - I think my city (Melbourne) has between two and three million. Our entire population is twenty million - thats it for such a huge country.
You guys are patriotic. Thats not nessecarily a bad thing, but heck, if you were invaded you'd see a lot of people wanting to defend their homeland - just look at these militia groups you mentioned yourself.
You wouldn't get that here. We're very multicultural and that opens a whole heap of possibilities - will people here fight the invaders who could actually be relatives or friends of theirs? What about sleeper cells (you know, the invaders plant people in the nation to help from the inside - i.e. blow up rail tracks and bridges to stop the military moving around)? I for one can look around my neighbourhood and see very few people who would want to help the nation - most would just want to go home. Yea, I'm in one of the most multicultural areas in this country.
Your nation is suited to a game like Freedom Fighters - thats not an insult and don't take it as such - you guys DO have access to weapons. Even if you don't know how to weild them or don't own one yourself, you do have access to them. Its in your constitution that you CAN bear arms. You have these militia groups. You have a large, powerful army. You have all sorts of special forces groups.
Australia has only the SAS and the Defence Force (Army, Navy, Airforce plus Reserves) - they're small. Very small. Most of our equipment is based around defence and is fairly old - our airforce is mostly made up of F18s and F111s.
The land is totally different - invading a nation like ours would be a real bastard of a job. Although you would find plenty of citizens willing to give a hand or just get the hell out of the way.
Heck, if I we were getting invaded I wouldn't know where to start when looking for a gun.
This game concept isn't like Freedom Fighters - FF was action. You ran here, shot some people and did this and that to get more skill points so you could do the same thing over again in a more effective manner.
Its a strategy and management game, moreso than combat - you're managing a large resistance group, closer in nature to the French resistance (WWII) then say, the band of heavily armed fighters charging around the streets of New York in Freedom Fighters.
12/28/2003 (11:08 pm)
Its in your bloody constitution ferchrisakes. You have the most powerful military in the world. You've invaded two countries in what... two, three years? You're THE world superpower and you're just not suited to it - if you guys were invaded you have a lot more guns around (even if you don't own one), you'd have a bigger and better military at hand and so forth.Let me explain the weapons situation here - yes, we have gangs and crime and all that. Knifes are popular, but we have barely any gun killings - at all. Your police carry shotguns in their cars, ours just have a pissy little revolver. We can't own semi autos, we're very restrictive in the weapons we have.
Our cities are totally different to yours, even though we both live in Western nations - shit, you can't live in most of our nation. People live all over yours, meaning if they all took up arms (or aided in some way) then the invaders would have one hell of a job.
Go grab a map of Australia from Google image search - I, like almost everyone, live on the Eastern seaboard. You wouldn't want to live in most of the west and central parts of it.
Our cities, in general, are small - we have a handful. You guys have heaps, they're huge and some hold several million - I think my city (Melbourne) has between two and three million. Our entire population is twenty million - thats it for such a huge country.
You guys are patriotic. Thats not nessecarily a bad thing, but heck, if you were invaded you'd see a lot of people wanting to defend their homeland - just look at these militia groups you mentioned yourself.
You wouldn't get that here. We're very multicultural and that opens a whole heap of possibilities - will people here fight the invaders who could actually be relatives or friends of theirs? What about sleeper cells (you know, the invaders plant people in the nation to help from the inside - i.e. blow up rail tracks and bridges to stop the military moving around)? I for one can look around my neighbourhood and see very few people who would want to help the nation - most would just want to go home. Yea, I'm in one of the most multicultural areas in this country.
Your nation is suited to a game like Freedom Fighters - thats not an insult and don't take it as such - you guys DO have access to weapons. Even if you don't know how to weild them or don't own one yourself, you do have access to them. Its in your constitution that you CAN bear arms. You have these militia groups. You have a large, powerful army. You have all sorts of special forces groups.
Australia has only the SAS and the Defence Force (Army, Navy, Airforce plus Reserves) - they're small. Very small. Most of our equipment is based around defence and is fairly old - our airforce is mostly made up of F18s and F111s.
The land is totally different - invading a nation like ours would be a real bastard of a job. Although you would find plenty of citizens willing to give a hand or just get the hell out of the way.
Heck, if I we were getting invaded I wouldn't know where to start when looking for a gun.
This game concept isn't like Freedom Fighters - FF was action. You ran here, shot some people and did this and that to get more skill points so you could do the same thing over again in a more effective manner.
Its a strategy and management game, moreso than combat - you're managing a large resistance group, closer in nature to the French resistance (WWII) then say, the band of heavily armed fighters charging around the streets of New York in Freedom Fighters.
#14
Last time I checked, Au was giving the US and UK a hand in Iraq. Why the self-righteous bullshit?
Now is this some kind of argument to justify your viewpoint of a game design? Because I really don't give a fuck if you come out swinging koala bears to fend off invaders. I have no opinion of your particular idea, nor your politics. I haven't said a damn thing about the game, in fact.
So really, I have no idea if you are trying to "sell" me on this idea, or just trying to keep this thread alive to rally interest. Again, either way, I don't care.
12/29/2003 (12:38 am)
I find you to be highly uneducated and assuming in regard to the USA. If I were to "guess" what your nation was like, I would have to assume it was full of "Crocodile Dundees" and "Steve the Crocodile Hunters". But I am not about to pass that type of judgement, because I know people that live in Tasmania, and they carry an opinion that is wildly different than yours.Last time I checked, Au was giving the US and UK a hand in Iraq. Why the self-righteous bullshit?
Now is this some kind of argument to justify your viewpoint of a game design? Because I really don't give a fuck if you come out swinging koala bears to fend off invaders. I have no opinion of your particular idea, nor your politics. I haven't said a damn thing about the game, in fact.
So really, I have no idea if you are trying to "sell" me on this idea, or just trying to keep this thread alive to rally interest. Again, either way, I don't care.
#15
"Australia has only the SAS and the Defence Force (Army, Navy, Airforce plus Reserves) - they're small. Very small. Most of our equipment is based around defence and is fairly old - our airforce is mostly made up of F18s and F111s."
True we have a small army, in fact counting just the army we don't have the numbers for an army (we infact count the cadets and reserves and then we have an army ;-)).
Fairly old isn't that true, the US army still uses mainly the same designed weapon from the 60's, the M16 (up to A3 now?).
And we have the F88 Aus Steyr(the F88 is a modifed verison of the AUG, things like better firing pin etc), which is a far more advanced firearm. (as most are following persuit of this type of design)... Australia also has some M-16A1 which we got from the later parts of the Vietnam war. Which we also got offered to produce for our Army's primary weapon. But mainly we used the L1A1 SLR which is a form of the FN FAL.
And if you didn't know or think of this, but our soldiers are trainned more highly, and equiped over all better then the US army due to the smaller numbers.
Our SAS(SASR) is trained mainly in combat, less counter-terrorism like most other nations. We also have the Commandos, Green Brets (like the British). Which are in quite large numbers, most of our Reserves are trainned up to be Reserve CDO (1st CDO Regt and 2nd CDO Regt) and we have 4th RAR CDO now.
The US Army I believe isn't the most powerful, China is, it has the largest amount of soldiers and largest airforce, maybe not the best arms. But the US does have more nuclear weapons etc then anyone else in the world, but that isn't there army as such.
"Heck, if I we were getting invaded I wouldn't know where to start when looking for a gun." its a sad thought but true to alot of people in this country and the world, we don't see firearms as tools! I do see that other counties use more firearms etc then Austrlia in general. But they do have more numbers and lesser laws. But there isn't anything stopping you.
"Let me explain the weapons situation here - yes, we have gangs and crime and all that. Knifes are popular, but we have barely any gun killings - at all. Your police carry shotguns in their cars, ours just have a pissy little revolver. We can't own semi autos, we're very restrictive in the weapons we have."
We can't own semi-auto rifles unless were on a farm and can provide a reason. We can have semi-auto pistols. We have a limit of 10 rounds per magazine like in the USA and also a barrel length restriction. Also we are having alot of shootings and drive bys lately.
"If Indonesia (or anyone else) every decided to invade us, we'd be stuffed - even with our military being rather skilled and having strong allies such as the UK and US."
In fact thats wrong, as such because a rescent study showed that only USA has the equipment to launch an attack. Other countries don't have good enough aircraft etc for distance. Thats why we still have the F-111 because they can go very large distances, as Australia is a large country.
Last about firearm making etc, ever heard of Owen? he designed the Owen sub-machinegun, it was very good in mud etc, he made and designed it him self in a shed I believe lol. The Australian/NZ army and UK army even some US(a convertion for them with the .45) used it in WWII and Korea and Vietnam (untill the F1 came out, some didn't like it as much). and it only costed 2 shelings to make :-). It fired a 9mm round, and a 32 round magazine.
Also in WWII many Australians got trained in case the Japs were to take over the country and then to launch a guerilla offencive.
12/29/2003 (2:18 am)
I'm Australian so people all know... I'll like to correct this fellow Australian about a few things and add some points."Australia has only the SAS and the Defence Force (Army, Navy, Airforce plus Reserves) - they're small. Very small. Most of our equipment is based around defence and is fairly old - our airforce is mostly made up of F18s and F111s."
True we have a small army, in fact counting just the army we don't have the numbers for an army (we infact count the cadets and reserves and then we have an army ;-)).
Fairly old isn't that true, the US army still uses mainly the same designed weapon from the 60's, the M16 (up to A3 now?).
And we have the F88 Aus Steyr(the F88 is a modifed verison of the AUG, things like better firing pin etc), which is a far more advanced firearm. (as most are following persuit of this type of design)... Australia also has some M-16A1 which we got from the later parts of the Vietnam war. Which we also got offered to produce for our Army's primary weapon. But mainly we used the L1A1 SLR which is a form of the FN FAL.
And if you didn't know or think of this, but our soldiers are trainned more highly, and equiped over all better then the US army due to the smaller numbers.
Our SAS(SASR) is trained mainly in combat, less counter-terrorism like most other nations. We also have the Commandos, Green Brets (like the British). Which are in quite large numbers, most of our Reserves are trainned up to be Reserve CDO (1st CDO Regt and 2nd CDO Regt) and we have 4th RAR CDO now.
The US Army I believe isn't the most powerful, China is, it has the largest amount of soldiers and largest airforce, maybe not the best arms. But the US does have more nuclear weapons etc then anyone else in the world, but that isn't there army as such.
"Heck, if I we were getting invaded I wouldn't know where to start when looking for a gun." its a sad thought but true to alot of people in this country and the world, we don't see firearms as tools! I do see that other counties use more firearms etc then Austrlia in general. But they do have more numbers and lesser laws. But there isn't anything stopping you.
"Let me explain the weapons situation here - yes, we have gangs and crime and all that. Knifes are popular, but we have barely any gun killings - at all. Your police carry shotguns in their cars, ours just have a pissy little revolver. We can't own semi autos, we're very restrictive in the weapons we have."
We can't own semi-auto rifles unless were on a farm and can provide a reason. We can have semi-auto pistols. We have a limit of 10 rounds per magazine like in the USA and also a barrel length restriction. Also we are having alot of shootings and drive bys lately.
"If Indonesia (or anyone else) every decided to invade us, we'd be stuffed - even with our military being rather skilled and having strong allies such as the UK and US."
In fact thats wrong, as such because a rescent study showed that only USA has the equipment to launch an attack. Other countries don't have good enough aircraft etc for distance. Thats why we still have the F-111 because they can go very large distances, as Australia is a large country.
Last about firearm making etc, ever heard of Owen? he designed the Owen sub-machinegun, it was very good in mud etc, he made and designed it him self in a shed I believe lol. The Australian/NZ army and UK army even some US(a convertion for them with the .45) used it in WWII and Korea and Vietnam (untill the F1 came out, some didn't like it as much). and it only costed 2 shelings to make :-). It fired a 9mm round, and a 32 round magazine.
Also in WWII many Australians got trained in case the Japs were to take over the country and then to launch a guerilla offencive.
#16
some more then others...
And what can you do with this part? stick a few lebs and asians in the group?
12/29/2003 (2:31 am)
"Seeing this nation is like Australia in nature, people from many races (we're very multicultural) could play a part"some more then others...
And what can you do with this part? stick a few lebs and asians in the group?
#17
I think that this would make a great game, if it was pulled off properly. But then again I think that about most games.
And everyone knows America is corrupt, greedy and evil with gun wielding texans as the head of state. Well, everyone but Americans ;)
Lol, that was a joke, well, a half-truth anyway.
12/29/2003 (3:36 am)
Who cares if Americans are gun wielding maniacs? Arent we here to debate whether this game concept would work?I think that this would make a great game, if it was pulled off properly. But then again I think that about most games.
And everyone knows America is corrupt, greedy and evil with gun wielding texans as the head of state. Well, everyone but Americans ;)
Lol, that was a joke, well, a half-truth anyway.
#18
First, please do the research on the battles that have occured in this country (US) that have caused us to evolve. Ethan Allen and his Minutemen were farmers from the tiny state of Vermont and started the Revolutionary War when they took on the British.
Many ship battles were fought on Lake Champlain and around Valcour Island. The US Navy actually started in Whitehall, NY.
The only people native to America were the American Indians and everyone else migrated to this country. So to be American, usually means your family came from some place else, like Europe, Africa, Asia, etc. Truly the "Melting Pot" of the modern era.
The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the US is signed by folks who came from some other country. I think they didn't like their previous government, king, queen or church and wanted to create a better place to live.
While I lived in Vermont, a person was legally able to carry a firearm and for the 12 years I was there, we didn't have any problems. I think an educated, intelligent community that understands responsibility and respect, despite differences of opinion, will deal with issues rationally and try to preserve the life of his fellow man, regardless of race, creed or color.
(Wishfull thinking)
Your game could be unique with a lot of historical value that could appeal to many potential users. Perhaps, You could blend a combination of different historical themes into a "survival" type setting. Good Luck in your endeavor.
Regards,
GoForIt
12/29/2003 (4:57 am)
I am not perfectly clear on the historical events of the US but do know a couple of things that may fit with the theme of your idea.First, please do the research on the battles that have occured in this country (US) that have caused us to evolve. Ethan Allen and his Minutemen were farmers from the tiny state of Vermont and started the Revolutionary War when they took on the British.
Many ship battles were fought on Lake Champlain and around Valcour Island. The US Navy actually started in Whitehall, NY.
The only people native to America were the American Indians and everyone else migrated to this country. So to be American, usually means your family came from some place else, like Europe, Africa, Asia, etc. Truly the "Melting Pot" of the modern era.
The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the US is signed by folks who came from some other country. I think they didn't like their previous government, king, queen or church and wanted to create a better place to live.
While I lived in Vermont, a person was legally able to carry a firearm and for the 12 years I was there, we didn't have any problems. I think an educated, intelligent community that understands responsibility and respect, despite differences of opinion, will deal with issues rationally and try to preserve the life of his fellow man, regardless of race, creed or color.
(Wishfull thinking)
Your game could be unique with a lot of historical value that could appeal to many potential users. Perhaps, You could blend a combination of different historical themes into a "survival" type setting. Good Luck in your endeavor.
Regards,
GoForIt
#19
Anyway Christhoper Taylor I think it sounds like an ok idea I like that type of warfare.
I can see if it was able to be really free in that you can dig defence positions over the place it would be amazing, but maybe hard.
The idea of slowly building up your arms is realistic and hard/fun I would believe.
12/29/2003 (5:04 am)
Ahm yeah...Anyway Christhoper Taylor I think it sounds like an ok idea I like that type of warfare.
I can see if it was able to be really free in that you can dig defence positions over the place it would be amazing, but maybe hard.
The idea of slowly building up your arms is realistic and hard/fun I would believe.
#20
Historical value isn't a huge issue here - Indonesia has often shown its dislike, and as such its a logical choice. Make a similar, fake nation and bingo - theres your game.
Just about the Indians, Go For It, we have the Aboriginals, except they came over from India or something about 40,000 years ago. Similar thing, I guess.
With the multicultural thing - yea, your group might be made up of different people, but let me put it this way - say you came here from country x and then country x invades you, would you be so willing to shoot the x's - especially if you knew them before you came here? What about the afore mentioned sleeper cells?
As for drive bys and so forth, they're by criminals with illegaly owned firearms - gangland shootings. They happen everywhere and they're irrelevant.
You talked about Australians being trained in case of Japanese invasion - well, we don't have that now. There was a lot of stuff building up to that - we have a couple of years to train our citizens. If something comes along - without warning - theres not a lot that can be done, is there? What would they do, hand out a gun and tell you which end to point at your target?
In the past people went shooting. Young males often got guns for Christmas, and so on and so on. In the past, I think people might have been more willing to help out - now we're living in the 21st century. I haven't been shooting - most people I know have never been shooting either. Heck, the closest I've come to firing a gun is using a bow - at an archery range. People are fucking lazy. Think about it - theres online shopping, fast food and all this stuff - why go and make food when you can just get someone to do it for you? Similar thing, really. Especially if you're not making the food for yourself (why defend a nation that isn't yours anyway?).
2D game, by the way.
12/29/2003 (6:39 pm)
Good, we're talking about the game now - the point I was trying to make is why the fake nation in the game should be closer to Australia in nature. Thats it, okay?Historical value isn't a huge issue here - Indonesia has often shown its dislike, and as such its a logical choice. Make a similar, fake nation and bingo - theres your game.
Just about the Indians, Go For It, we have the Aboriginals, except they came over from India or something about 40,000 years ago. Similar thing, I guess.
With the multicultural thing - yea, your group might be made up of different people, but let me put it this way - say you came here from country x and then country x invades you, would you be so willing to shoot the x's - especially if you knew them before you came here? What about the afore mentioned sleeper cells?
As for drive bys and so forth, they're by criminals with illegaly owned firearms - gangland shootings. They happen everywhere and they're irrelevant.
You talked about Australians being trained in case of Japanese invasion - well, we don't have that now. There was a lot of stuff building up to that - we have a couple of years to train our citizens. If something comes along - without warning - theres not a lot that can be done, is there? What would they do, hand out a gun and tell you which end to point at your target?
In the past people went shooting. Young males often got guns for Christmas, and so on and so on. In the past, I think people might have been more willing to help out - now we're living in the 21st century. I haven't been shooting - most people I know have never been shooting either. Heck, the closest I've come to firing a gun is using a bow - at an archery range. People are fucking lazy. Think about it - theres online shopping, fast food and all this stuff - why go and make food when you can just get someone to do it for you? Similar thing, really. Especially if you're not making the food for yourself (why defend a nation that isn't yours anyway?).
2D game, by the way.
Christhoper Taylor
Thats only a summary - if you're interested in getting a team together and want specifics, email me here: worms86@optusnet.com.au and I'll send you some more.