Digg Is Great
by Jeff Tunnell · 11/15/2005 (10:52 am) · 66 comments
Is it my imagination or is Slashdot rapidly becoming an incredibly lame, noob infested pack of the most clueless opinions on the Net? For several years I read /. every day, and while many of the opinions were vile, there was still enough good information buried in the posts to sort through. Eventually, I turned up the threshold rating, then moved to RSS feeds, only rarely visiting the site because the comments became worse and worse.
So, what does this have to do with games you ask?
Well, today I went to the site because there was an interesting post about XB360 games. This is a subject that I feel I have some unique knowledge about, i.e. games and a system not yet on the market that I thought I could intelligently participate in the conversation. So, for the first time in years, I posted a well thought out post about the XB360, which is a system that I think will change the face of console gaming. Here is the link:
games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/15/1636243&tid=211&tid=10
Man, did I get flamed. I guess there is just no way to please these MS bashers. Pretty much summed up, GarageGames is a lame developer, I'm a Ballmer fanboi, etc.
Oh well, I just unsubscribed /. from my Bloglines. I was just about ready to do so any way. www.digg.com is getting much better news, much faster than /. now, so there is simply no reason for me to go there any more. (btw, the comments on digg are lame too, but the way the post are moderated and presented in such a way that you can ignore them.)
Jeff Tunnell, GarageGames
So, what does this have to do with games you ask?
Well, today I went to the site because there was an interesting post about XB360 games. This is a subject that I feel I have some unique knowledge about, i.e. games and a system not yet on the market that I thought I could intelligently participate in the conversation. So, for the first time in years, I posted a well thought out post about the XB360, which is a system that I think will change the face of console gaming. Here is the link:
games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/15/1636243&tid=211&tid=10
Man, did I get flamed. I guess there is just no way to please these MS bashers. Pretty much summed up, GarageGames is a lame developer, I'm a Ballmer fanboi, etc.
Oh well, I just unsubscribed /. from my Bloglines. I was just about ready to do so any way. www.digg.com is getting much better news, much faster than /. now, so there is simply no reason for me to go there any more. (btw, the comments on digg are lame too, but the way the post are moderated and presented in such a way that you can ignore them.)
Jeff Tunnell, GarageGames
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#2
I just think its the nature of people as things become popular. Remember the whole stigma of being an AOL'er when we were back in the days of the BBS's??
thanks for the alternative site though :)
11/15/2005 (11:04 am)
I think its pretty much inevitable isnt it? As things become more "mainstream" they also become more accessed by the masses. This kind of automatically means things will inevitably get dumber.I just think its the nature of people as things become popular. Remember the whole stigma of being an AOL'er when we were back in the days of the BBS's??
thanks for the alternative site though :)
#3
T.
11/15/2005 (11:08 am)
Amazing. Dunno what else to say. Perhaps someone with a (much) higher IQ will be along to add better comments later, but given that its slashdot, I wont hold my breath ;-)T.
#4
11/15/2005 (11:12 am)
unfortunately that seems to be the way of the majority of the internet, it's like road rage, but taken to the extreme where you can be a complete "Anonymous Coward". It's not personal at you, has more to do with them. I know you know this, and remember it was only 2 people out of thousands who read that site.
#5
The new web with all of the blogs and other forms of news are quickly eclipsing the usefulness of /.
Oh well.
-Jeff
11/15/2005 (11:14 am)
Doesn't get me down at all. I have discovered that if I know something about the post, just how little real information is included in the replies, i.e. just how clueless the community is. Projecting that to things that I know less about tells me that I should not be wasting my time on the site.The new web with all of the blogs and other forms of news are quickly eclipsing the usefulness of /.
Oh well.
-Jeff
#6
But I don't know if I would classify them as zealots or idiots. There's a distinct difference between they two, but I'll be damned if I can find it right now.
The LA360 will be a great step for indies. I'm interested to see if large developers flood the Live console market with casual games (often thought of for more "hardcore" gamers than the PC market) or if they concentrate their dollars on the "big titles" and leave the market open for indies.
11/15/2005 (11:21 am)
Since I moderate at GameFAQs, it seemed like a logical and intelligent discussion.But I don't know if I would classify them as zealots or idiots. There's a distinct difference between they two, but I'll be damned if I can find it right now.
The LA360 will be a great step for indies. I'm interested to see if large developers flood the Live console market with casual games (often thought of for more "hardcore" gamers than the PC market) or if they concentrate their dollars on the "big titles" and leave the market open for indies.
#7
On the other hand, throw in a few words about how Torque runs on Linux and MacOS X and you'd probably get praise from everyone but the anti-PR crowd.
11/15/2005 (11:28 am)
I don't post on Slashdot very often, but when I do, I'm amazed at the replies. It quickly jumps from legitimate discussion to bickering about semantics. Before, the moderators would go through them fairly quick and eliminate the irrelevant replies, but over the past few years, I think moderation has slanted more towards entertainment value than quality of the content.On the other hand, throw in a few words about how Torque runs on Linux and MacOS X and you'd probably get praise from everyone but the anti-PR crowd.
#8
11/15/2005 (11:34 am)
This plays right into my theory that 95% of everything on the planet is crap...including the people who occupy it.
#9
11/15/2005 (11:44 am)
I use Digg everyday and its much better. However the MS hating ppls still use it but at least you can report the crap.
#10
Best one liner of the year.
11/15/2005 (12:09 pm)
Quote: This plays right into my theory that 95% of everything on the planet is crap...including the people who occupy it.
Best one liner of the year.
#11
What made me really hate the site was when we had released Dark Horizons Lore 2.0 for Linux and Linspire and they (along with most other Linux games sites) refused to post anything about it even though our fans and players were spamming /. with news posts about the release. Hell even GarageGames tried to send news posts to them and other Linux sites about Lore and got no where. We were all so very confused as to why /. (and other Linux games sites), sites which spends as much time bitching about how there are no Linux games as it does bitching about Microsoft, would refuse to make a post about how a new Linux game was on the market.
This is when I finally came to the realization that /. simply doesn't care. If you are not some big AAA game, an Anti-MS new story or a Fortune 500 company that uses linux in some story that they can spin and fire a buch of incorrect facts about how Linux saved the day they simply don't care. The site is happy to bite the hand that feeds them and spurn its own community and those that truely want to make an effort supporting the Linux OS, and what is the end result of all of it?
If you ask me the end result is that you have one less person or one less company that wants to deal /. and their community, and get one more person or company that looks at Linux as less of a solution and market and more as a toy or resource with specific needs that can be used in only certain circumstances. They do not understand that what they are doing is driving away the very support from the little guys that made Linux and their community such an attractive development when it first came onto the market. They do not understand that their actions are why companies do not think of Linux as a viable release platform for games and only look at it as a much deserved after thought. After my experiances with /. (and Linux sites like it) along with the dismal support of the Linux community in general for indie games, I have no personal desire to expend valuable resources as an indie to make games for the OS unless I can really profit off of it. Sure I might just be 1 indie developer, I might not make the next Doom 3 or Half Life 2, but I am one less voice who says "support Linux, its great", and in the end, isnt that what matters?
11/15/2005 (12:14 pm)
Jeff I agree with you there. /. has turned from being an evangelist Linux and Techie news site, to IMHO a site of fear mongering and angst. The intelligence is gone from the posts and now its just an orgy of hatred and miss truths that ebb and wax to the drums that are slowly being beaten louder and louder to the agendas of a select few.What made me really hate the site was when we had released Dark Horizons Lore 2.0 for Linux and Linspire and they (along with most other Linux games sites) refused to post anything about it even though our fans and players were spamming /. with news posts about the release. Hell even GarageGames tried to send news posts to them and other Linux sites about Lore and got no where. We were all so very confused as to why /. (and other Linux games sites), sites which spends as much time bitching about how there are no Linux games as it does bitching about Microsoft, would refuse to make a post about how a new Linux game was on the market.
This is when I finally came to the realization that /. simply doesn't care. If you are not some big AAA game, an Anti-MS new story or a Fortune 500 company that uses linux in some story that they can spin and fire a buch of incorrect facts about how Linux saved the day they simply don't care. The site is happy to bite the hand that feeds them and spurn its own community and those that truely want to make an effort supporting the Linux OS, and what is the end result of all of it?
If you ask me the end result is that you have one less person or one less company that wants to deal /. and their community, and get one more person or company that looks at Linux as less of a solution and market and more as a toy or resource with specific needs that can be used in only certain circumstances. They do not understand that what they are doing is driving away the very support from the little guys that made Linux and their community such an attractive development when it first came onto the market. They do not understand that their actions are why companies do not think of Linux as a viable release platform for games and only look at it as a much deserved after thought. After my experiances with /. (and Linux sites like it) along with the dismal support of the Linux community in general for indie games, I have no personal desire to expend valuable resources as an indie to make games for the OS unless I can really profit off of it. Sure I might just be 1 indie developer, I might not make the next Doom 3 or Half Life 2, but I am one less voice who says "support Linux, its great", and in the end, isnt that what matters?
#12
I think GarageGames has proven that add-ons work well: you buy only what you want and/or need. I worry that within a few years the feature will be abused. I could easily see larger game companies changing the intent of the add-ons into something else. What gamers currently get "for free", will have to be purchased.
Now, if GarageGames were left in charge, I'd have no worries. I fear the "good" intentions of the larger companies.
I like the rest of Jeff's post, especially how he DIDN'T talk about the games themselves. I don't own any console systems but I will soon enough (kids are getting older). To me, I'd like to have the extra features mentioned. I like hearing that it's easy, too!
11/15/2005 (12:23 pm)
Maybe I missed it, but I only saw 6 replies to Jeff's post. If you take away the Anonymous posts, which you should do anyway, the remaining posts seemed just fine. I actually liked Lord Dweomer's post as it did seem to have some thought behind it and was sprinkled with similar thoughts to mine. Being able to make purchases easily without going to the store - great idea! I fear that having micropayments to buy add-ons will turn into a "nickel and diming" of games.I think GarageGames has proven that add-ons work well: you buy only what you want and/or need. I worry that within a few years the feature will be abused. I could easily see larger game companies changing the intent of the add-ons into something else. What gamers currently get "for free", will have to be purchased.
Now, if GarageGames were left in charge, I'd have no worries. I fear the "good" intentions of the larger companies.
I like the rest of Jeff's post, especially how he DIDN'T talk about the games themselves. I don't own any console systems but I will soon enough (kids are getting older). To me, I'd like to have the extra features mentioned. I like hearing that it's easy, too!
#13
All I have to say is that I hope that if there are aliens, that they don't browse the web to understand how humans think or our planet is toast.
11/15/2005 (12:23 pm)
@JeffAll I have to say is that I hope that if there are aliens, that they don't browse the web to understand how humans think or our planet is toast.
#14
11/15/2005 (12:25 pm)
oops, I was still logged in as the Weekly Plan Hightlights.
#15
11/15/2005 (12:34 pm)
As much as I am a Nintendo fanboy, even I have to admit the idea of getting a game on the 360 is intriguing and something I'd like to try and do. I wish to get a game on Revolution more, but jesus some people are so close minded. I'm a Nintendo fan, but I like my unique games and fun games on any platform.
#16
All of the other comments were rated 0 except for the Balmer joke which wasn't really funny. The crap to useful comments is definitly high though.
11/15/2005 (12:36 pm)
Some of the comments weren't bad. Like asking if you needed to store the files differently on your ipod to connect it and being disgusted with having to continusiously pay to play a game instead of just paying the $60-100 fee once (Which is why I don't play MMO games).All of the other comments were rated 0 except for the Balmer joke which wasn't really funny. The crap to useful comments is definitly high though.
#17
I don't bother post anything on the Firingsquad site either. Sometimes I read an announcement that I know will cause heat just to read the dumbass comments.
11/15/2005 (12:52 pm)
Quote: This plays right into my theory that 95% of everything on the planet is crap...including the people who occupy it.Man how true.
I don't bother post anything on the Firingsquad site either. Sometimes I read an announcement that I know will cause heat just to read the dumbass comments.
#18
The whole time I was watching the movie DOOM I kept thinking about Carmack saying "directX will never succeed". Now I have never seen him eat a Crow but he should. Look at Sony, they are no angels. They have fought every open standard. From CD-ROM, compact flash to DVD and more.
11/15/2005 (12:55 pm)
I do what Will Smith does. Turn the negative energy into fuel. Feed off of the idiots instead of letting them get you down.The whole time I was watching the movie DOOM I kept thinking about Carmack saying "directX will never succeed". Now I have never seen him eat a Crow but he should. Look at Sony, they are no angels. They have fought every open standard. From CD-ROM, compact flash to DVD and more.
#19
Wait, what the heck am I doing here reading about Jeff reading. Maybe *I* should be working....
bleh.
/Fark is funnier anyway
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11/15/2005 (12:56 pm)
What the heck are you doing reading slashdot right now? Why aren't you working!!!!Wait, what the heck am I doing here reading about Jeff reading. Maybe *I* should be working....
bleh.
/Fark is funnier anyway
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#20
then I realized I have it set to ignore comments below 2 (and put a -3 modifier on Anonymous Cowards).
I vagualy remember setting that a couple months ago after getting angry at some jerk's post.
My experience with /. has been great for the past months and I think I didn't even realize I just wasn't
seeing all the crap comments.
If you ever have any desire to go back, you could give that a shot. A -1 or -2 modifier on 'Funny' probably brings
most of dumb repeated jokes back down too.
11/15/2005 (12:56 pm)
I went through it the first time and didn't see what the issue was, then I realized I have it set to ignore comments below 2 (and put a -3 modifier on Anonymous Cowards).
I vagualy remember setting that a couple months ago after getting angry at some jerk's post.
My experience with /. has been great for the past months and I think I didn't even realize I just wasn't
seeing all the crap comments.
If you ever have any desire to go back, you could give that a shot. A -1 or -2 modifier on 'Funny' probably brings
most of dumb repeated jokes back down too.
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As a side note I'd like to hear more of what you have to say in regards to the xbox360 beyond the limited scope of a comment on /.