Welcome to the new GarageGames.com!
by Jacob Fike · 01/13/2009 (6:28 pm) · 200 comments
Notice anything different around here? The GarageGames web team presents to you the first new look of GarageGames.com. Of course, there are a lot more changes around here than just getting a face-lift.
The web team was allowed out of jail to take this picture. Smiling bright and sunny are Derek and Jason on the left, in the shadows with hands in pockets are me and Ken on the right.
It's pretty established over here in Eugene that the GG.com website team is a quiet and reserved bunch, as opposed to the more extroverted Torque devs who are always eager to talk about new tech. However, it's probably good for you to get a quick overview of who made the site possible. I'm Jacob Fike (probably obvious given the blog header), and I've been working with GarageGames for two years now. I got my start by creating Overlord Management System system. I then went on to help create the Great Games Experiment and worked on the backend of InstantAction for a while before devoting myself full time to this site. Working beside me is an even more quiet guy, Jason Hetu, who did most of the design work for the site and likes bran muffins (ask him about that later). Also heavily involved in the content and design of the new site were Derek Bronson (for better marketing of our 3rd party products), Eric Fritz (for marketing and usability), Davey Jackson and Michael Blenden (for the needs of educators who visit the site), and Ken Holst and Jeff Hojnacke (for testing).
And HUGE THANKS to the Operations team. First lead by Jay Arrera, and then Jeff Cassar, we wouldn't have been able to post the site up so quickly. Eli Janssen (who doesn't have a profile page since he's too busy making this all work) in particular put in a ridiculous amount of overtime to get this live. We salute you and your beard, Eli.
For anyone who has been here any length of time, you know the old site was beginning to show its age. Although it was still functional, it looked and acted like a site that had been built in the early 1990s. A myriad of web devs had added some cool things to the site over time like community web blogging, snapshots, etc., but maintaining the site was becoming something of a task from a backend perspective since it had ballooned so much. It was due for a much needed overhaul to take advantage of new technologies that made coding and maintenance much easier over the course of the last few years. And, of course, from a usability perspective, there were just too many pages (many of them hard to find if you didn't know the site well), so it was also time to make it easier for new users to navigate through our site.
(And just between you and me, we were kind of sick of the yellow. While it gave the site some personality bonus points, it also made it really hard to design nice art assets for the site. So we chose an easier-on-the-eyes color that would make your blog screenshots pop out of the page.)
Here are 11 links in one drop down and according to Google Analytics, they were rarely clicked on. Sad Panda.
Most of it is pretty self-explanatory. For example, we've simplified the navigation bar so that the entire site is linked through the pages on the top bar. The product pages have been condensed so everything you need to know is contained on one page. And a lot of functionality is staying the same for now, such as Markup Lite for blogs and forum posts. But there are few things that you should know as you familiarize yourself with the site:
Search has been revamped for the entire site. We knew a lot of you would be pleased with this one. The main search box will do a search on all sections of the site. However, each section has its own search box that will search only that type of content (blogs, for instance). The simple search box is smart enough to recognize most standard search queries like phrase matching (put multiple words in quotes to find that exact phase), specific field matches (i.e. author:Bob), and negative term matches (i.e. -dave would show results that do not contain the term dave). Pretty much anything you use on Google, you can use here. The Advanced Search even has the ability to search based on dates, and allows you to limit your searches all the way down to specific forums.
We have a support tab that contains links to all documentation, a form to submit bugs, and how to get paid support. For now, documentation links to the work Michael Perry started with the old site, but will slowly get revamped as he improves the doc system this year. The submit bugs form is similar to our old one, but much easier to find, so we get quicker feedback on our products. And finally, we will be processing requests for paid support, although that is likely geared toward the professional end of our users.
The What's New Page has been simplified to the most clicked on links. The old What's New Page had way too much content, and after some Google Analytic research, we decided to boil it down to the basics. We put GG blogs and other blogs we flag as "featured" right at the top. (Our old "Snapshots" feature has been replaced with these "Featured" blogs.) All other recent blogs also have screen real estate on the bottom of the page. We also have separate tabs for blogs, resources, and forums so you can keep track of those. We'll keep a close eye on how this new navigation is used and make improvements throughout the year.
All information on a single product is now contained within...the product's page. Remember the old days where you had to click on several pages to find information about a product? Even feature lists were on separate pages? Yeah, that sucked. And yeah, we fixed that, by having all information about a product put in tabs on one easily-found page. And now all products are under the "Products" drop-down. Hooray, consistency!
Logins are based on e-mail addresses, not handles. We decided to use e-mail addresses for our unique login because, well, they're unique by design, and people tend to remember them better than handles, which can change over time. Your e-mail address on the new site was the private e-mail you listed when you first registered on GG.com. However, for those of you that can't remember what that was, you'll notice on the login page that we have a place where you can still login under your old handle. Just know that we will eventually rely solely on e-mail addresses for all logins in a future build.
You no longer have pictures and other files uploaded to your profile. Due to the way we set up our initial backend, we decided not to support user uploaded files. Since profile pictures were the only real functionality must people took advantage off, we thought this was okay for initial launch.
Please do not use origin-www or the direct IP address to get to the new site. For the past year, we've been dealing with a rare, but frustrating issue through our CDN (Akamai) where users would get a screen that said "Service Unavailable" when trying to connect. To bypass Akamai and go around this error, some users have been entering the IP address for GG directly, or using origin-www.garage..... as an alternative. We're confident that the "Service Unavailable" issue will be disappearing entirely when the new site is up. It's being hosted in a different location, so connection issues to Akamai should be resolved. However, for each user that bypasses Akamai and connects to our hosted hardware directly, it plugs an available socket. If too many of these are plugged, Akamai can't process requests and neither can the hosted site. Please use www.garagegames.com exclusively from the time the new site is up and discontinue using origin-www or the direct IP. This should save us a lot of hassle and make the site operate faster for everyone who uses it.
Yeah, this is a massive post. I'm sure I've missed a couple things...my mind's kind of mush right now after all the work it's taken to get this far. Do know that we are nowhere near feature completeness of what we want the site to be able to do. More features will be rolled on a steady basis as we collect feedback and monitor site usage.
Welcome again to the new site, and post away with any issues you encounter or things you'd like to see. I'll address them as best as I can in follow-up site releases over the following weeks.
Who are you again?
The web team was allowed out of jail to take this picture. Smiling bright and sunny are Derek and Jason on the left, in the shadows with hands in pockets are me and Ken on the right.It's pretty established over here in Eugene that the GG.com website team is a quiet and reserved bunch, as opposed to the more extroverted Torque devs who are always eager to talk about new tech. However, it's probably good for you to get a quick overview of who made the site possible. I'm Jacob Fike (probably obvious given the blog header), and I've been working with GarageGames for two years now. I got my start by creating Overlord Management System system. I then went on to help create the Great Games Experiment and worked on the backend of InstantAction for a while before devoting myself full time to this site. Working beside me is an even more quiet guy, Jason Hetu, who did most of the design work for the site and likes bran muffins (ask him about that later). Also heavily involved in the content and design of the new site were Derek Bronson (for better marketing of our 3rd party products), Eric Fritz (for marketing and usability), Davey Jackson and Michael Blenden (for the needs of educators who visit the site), and Ken Holst and Jeff Hojnacke (for testing).
And HUGE THANKS to the Operations team. First lead by Jay Arrera, and then Jeff Cassar, we wouldn't have been able to post the site up so quickly. Eli Janssen (who doesn't have a profile page since he's too busy making this all work) in particular put in a ridiculous amount of overtime to get this live. We salute you and your beard, Eli.
Hey, I liked the yellow banners. Why bother with the change?
For anyone who has been here any length of time, you know the old site was beginning to show its age. Although it was still functional, it looked and acted like a site that had been built in the early 1990s. A myriad of web devs had added some cool things to the site over time like community web blogging, snapshots, etc., but maintaining the site was becoming something of a task from a backend perspective since it had ballooned so much. It was due for a much needed overhaul to take advantage of new technologies that made coding and maintenance much easier over the course of the last few years. And, of course, from a usability perspective, there were just too many pages (many of them hard to find if you didn't know the site well), so it was also time to make it easier for new users to navigate through our site.
(And just between you and me, we were kind of sick of the yellow. While it gave the site some personality bonus points, it also made it really hard to design nice art assets for the site. So we chose an easier-on-the-eyes color that would make your blog screenshots pop out of the page.)
Here are 11 links in one drop down and according to Google Analytics, they were rarely clicked on. Sad Panda.What should I know about the new site?
Most of it is pretty self-explanatory. For example, we've simplified the navigation bar so that the entire site is linked through the pages on the top bar. The product pages have been condensed so everything you need to know is contained on one page. And a lot of functionality is staying the same for now, such as Markup Lite for blogs and forum posts. But there are few things that you should know as you familiarize yourself with the site:
Search has been revamped for the entire site. We knew a lot of you would be pleased with this one. The main search box will do a search on all sections of the site. However, each section has its own search box that will search only that type of content (blogs, for instance). The simple search box is smart enough to recognize most standard search queries like phrase matching (put multiple words in quotes to find that exact phase), specific field matches (i.e. author:Bob), and negative term matches (i.e. -dave would show results that do not contain the term dave). Pretty much anything you use on Google, you can use here. The Advanced Search even has the ability to search based on dates, and allows you to limit your searches all the way down to specific forums.
We have a support tab that contains links to all documentation, a form to submit bugs, and how to get paid support. For now, documentation links to the work Michael Perry started with the old site, but will slowly get revamped as he improves the doc system this year. The submit bugs form is similar to our old one, but much easier to find, so we get quicker feedback on our products. And finally, we will be processing requests for paid support, although that is likely geared toward the professional end of our users.
The What's New Page has been simplified to the most clicked on links. The old What's New Page had way too much content, and after some Google Analytic research, we decided to boil it down to the basics. We put GG blogs and other blogs we flag as "featured" right at the top. (Our old "Snapshots" feature has been replaced with these "Featured" blogs.) All other recent blogs also have screen real estate on the bottom of the page. We also have separate tabs for blogs, resources, and forums so you can keep track of those. We'll keep a close eye on how this new navigation is used and make improvements throughout the year.
All information on a single product is now contained within...the product's page. Remember the old days where you had to click on several pages to find information about a product? Even feature lists were on separate pages? Yeah, that sucked. And yeah, we fixed that, by having all information about a product put in tabs on one easily-found page. And now all products are under the "Products" drop-down. Hooray, consistency!
Logins are based on e-mail addresses, not handles. We decided to use e-mail addresses for our unique login because, well, they're unique by design, and people tend to remember them better than handles, which can change over time. Your e-mail address on the new site was the private e-mail you listed when you first registered on GG.com. However, for those of you that can't remember what that was, you'll notice on the login page that we have a place where you can still login under your old handle. Just know that we will eventually rely solely on e-mail addresses for all logins in a future build.
You no longer have pictures and other files uploaded to your profile. Due to the way we set up our initial backend, we decided not to support user uploaded files. Since profile pictures were the only real functionality must people took advantage off, we thought this was okay for initial launch.
Please do not use origin-www or the direct IP address to get to the new site. For the past year, we've been dealing with a rare, but frustrating issue through our CDN (Akamai) where users would get a screen that said "Service Unavailable" when trying to connect. To bypass Akamai and go around this error, some users have been entering the IP address for GG directly, or using origin-www.garage..... as an alternative. We're confident that the "Service Unavailable" issue will be disappearing entirely when the new site is up. It's being hosted in a different location, so connection issues to Akamai should be resolved. However, for each user that bypasses Akamai and connects to our hosted hardware directly, it plugs an available socket. If too many of these are plugged, Akamai can't process requests and neither can the hosted site. Please use www.garagegames.com exclusively from the time the new site is up and discontinue using origin-www or the direct IP. This should save us a lot of hassle and make the site operate faster for everyone who uses it.
For someone who hasn't blogged since 2006, you sure talk a lot.
Yeah, this is a massive post. I'm sure I've missed a couple things...my mind's kind of mush right now after all the work it's taken to get this far. Do know that we are nowhere near feature completeness of what we want the site to be able to do. More features will be rolled on a steady basis as we collect feedback and monitor site usage.
Welcome again to the new site, and post away with any issues you encounter or things you'd like to see. I'll address them as best as I can in follow-up site releases over the following weeks.
About the author
As the CTO of Avalon Labs LLC, I am responsible for the technology behind Fellowstream, our team-based to-do list.
#62
I cannot get access to any of the reference pages I need. Console commands, object specific functions, etc. all the links to those pages are currently non-functional. I cannot access TDN which had reams of knowledge that I referenced on a daily basis. Now I'm hamstrung. Praying right now that this is something that can be fixed easily and quickly.
The forums are not usable. Compressing all topics into one mega forum was just a bad idea. Period. And as many have mentioned all of my links to useful topics are now non-functional. Another kick in the nuts.
That's just the tip of the iceberg that I'm seeing so far.
01/14/2009 (4:52 am)
The only nice thing I can say is that this looks pretty. Other then that, this is a major kick in the nuts.I cannot get access to any of the reference pages I need. Console commands, object specific functions, etc. all the links to those pages are currently non-functional. I cannot access TDN which had reams of knowledge that I referenced on a daily basis. Now I'm hamstrung. Praying right now that this is something that can be fixed easily and quickly.
The forums are not usable. Compressing all topics into one mega forum was just a bad idea. Period. And as many have mentioned all of my links to useful topics are now non-functional. Another kick in the nuts.
That's just the tip of the iceberg that I'm seeing so far.
#63
I did notice a few things not sure if you’re aware of them or not. Your scrolling panels at least on the most resent update of IE the panel on the main page does not scroll all the way down. I also noted that at the top of every page I have about a screen's height of empty space have to scroll down to find the start of the content of course the top bar is at the top of the screen just the content seems to do this.
My biggest issue so far and this may just be my stupidity but how do you add an engine to the cart I see no listing for any engine in the products page and the main page for the engine i.e. if you click on the 3D Engine link has no add to cart, price information or buy now option. You want us to e-mail you with request, am I just blind or is it just broken? I truly hope we are moving toward the “you must prove yourself worthy before purchasing our product” model.
Good job but I would highly recommend putting the old site back up and beta this one until the major bugs are worked out.
01/14/2009 (4:53 am)
The site looks good.I did notice a few things not sure if you’re aware of them or not. Your scrolling panels at least on the most resent update of IE the panel on the main page does not scroll all the way down. I also noted that at the top of every page I have about a screen's height of empty space have to scroll down to find the start of the content of course the top bar is at the top of the screen just the content seems to do this.
My biggest issue so far and this may just be my stupidity but how do you add an engine to the cart I see no listing for any engine in the products page and the main page for the engine i.e. if you click on the 3D Engine link has no add to cart, price information or buy now option. You want us to e-mail you with request, am I just blind or is it just broken? I truly hope we are moving toward the “you must prove yourself worthy before purchasing our product” model.
Good job but I would highly recommend putting the old site back up and beta this one until the major bugs are worked out.
#64
I truly hope we are moving toward the “you must prove yourself worthy before purchasing our product” model.
Should have read
I truly hope we are **not** moving toward the “you must prove yourself worthy before purchasing our product” model.
Major difference in meaning simple typo
01/14/2009 (4:55 am)
And yes an edit feature on the boards is an absolute must.I truly hope we are moving toward the “you must prove yourself worthy before purchasing our product” model.
Should have read
I truly hope we are **not** moving toward the “you must prove yourself worthy before purchasing our product” model.
Major difference in meaning simple typo
#65
I like the new color.
TGE is gone from the main page.
Support tickets have arrived.
Cons:
Forum subscriptions are gone.
Inability to see the latest posts in the forums I like on the main page.
My Associate tag is gone. I worked hard for that!
Image of the day is gone. I liked that.
Resources and Blogs are all mixed together.
All the old forums are all mixed together - causes too much noise.
overall, it feels like too much loss of functionality.
01/14/2009 (5:08 am)
Pros:I like the new color.
TGE is gone from the main page.
Support tickets have arrived.
Cons:
Forum subscriptions are gone.
Inability to see the latest posts in the forums I like on the main page.
My Associate tag is gone. I worked hard for that!
Image of the day is gone. I liked that.
Resources and Blogs are all mixed together.
All the old forums are all mixed together - causes too much noise.
overall, it feels like too much loss of functionality.
#66
Actually, after (trying to) use the site for a bit now I'm REALLY agreeing with this sentiment.
From a "displaying our products" point of view the site seem to work fine, and the bits that doesn't can easily be fixed. But with the community part you've just missed the mark SO much it's not even funny and fixing it will take a considerable amount of time and effort I'm sure. It would be a real bummer if we have to sit here, unable to use the site, while the "kinks" are worked out.
So, I'm not holding my breath, but I definitely think it would be a wise move to swallow the pride, roll back the old site for a tiny bit and give us access to the new site in "beta form" somewhere else.
01/14/2009 (5:21 am)
Quote:Good job but I would highly recommend putting the old site back up and beta this one until the major bugs are worked out.
Actually, after (trying to) use the site for a bit now I'm REALLY agreeing with this sentiment.
From a "displaying our products" point of view the site seem to work fine, and the bits that doesn't can easily be fixed. But with the community part you've just missed the mark SO much it's not even funny and fixing it will take a considerable amount of time and effort I'm sure. It would be a real bummer if we have to sit here, unable to use the site, while the "kinks" are worked out.
So, I'm not holding my breath, but I definitely think it would be a wise move to swallow the pride, roll back the old site for a tiny bit and give us access to the new site in "beta form" somewhere else.
#67
01/14/2009 (5:31 am)
Just so people are aware, IRC is still there if you're stuck. Point your IRC client at irc.maxgaming.net and join #garagegames. 
#68
My only gripe would be that TGB used to have forums for specific things like "Show Off", Scripting, Art, C++ Engine Issues, bugs, etc.. now it looks to me like they are all rolled into one forum. It's my first time seeing the new site so I could be mistaken, but that's what it looks like to me.
01/14/2009 (5:35 am)
I think it's awesome :) Looks much cleaner and also more simplified.My only gripe would be that TGB used to have forums for specific things like "Show Off", Scripting, Art, C++ Engine Issues, bugs, etc.. now it looks to me like they are all rolled into one forum. It's my first time seeing the new site so I could be mistaken, but that's what it looks like to me.
#69
01/14/2009 (5:38 am)
While the overall look is very clean and "crisp", the loss of functionality hurts. I have to agree with Magnus, this would have been great as a "beta" site, until we all got use to it and all the wrinkles were ironed out. I'm really missing the old one right now.
#70
As someone else mentioned, a lot of games have gone missing. There is also no filter for operating systems for games or other products. Not that big a concern for Windows users since most everything runs under that. For myself running Linux or others using Mac, it's annoying not to see whether or not something is supported for the OS.
01/14/2009 (6:09 am)
Is it possible to be able to display all posts in a forum/blog on one page? Going through multiple pages is annoying. If that can't be done, could you at least make it so when you click to go to another page, it takes you down to the first post, rather than have to scroll down past the blog in question? Unread posts is a must, please put that feature back ASAP, the site is useless otherwise to track anything new going on around here.As someone else mentioned, a lot of games have gone missing. There is also no filter for operating systems for games or other products. Not that big a concern for Windows users since most everything runs under that. For myself running Linux or others using Mac, it's annoying not to see whether or not something is supported for the OS.
#71
Other people will post the long list of issues with the new site, so I'll just voice my disappointment that the usefulness and life has been squeezed out by chasing the 'slick' look.
Now stare in wonder at the page number at the bottom which looks like it's a link - because that's the colour of links on the page - but it isn't - the gray ones are...
01/14/2009 (6:11 am)
Sorry Jake and everyone. I know you put a lot of work into this, but you really needed a usability person to work with you. Google analytics only takes you so far.Other people will post the long list of issues with the new site, so I'll just voice my disappointment that the usefulness and life has been squeezed out by chasing the 'slick' look.
Now stare in wonder at the page number at the bottom which looks like it's a link - because that's the colour of links on the page - but it isn't - the gray ones are...
#72
Overall the site looks very pretty and the theme is crisp and clear (not that there was anything wrong with the previous colours) but unfortunately there is a lot of functionality that is missing that I used on a regular basis.
These are now no longer and unfortunately makes actually using the site and being part of the community a little bit of a pain. Don't get me wrong ... you guys did an awesome job ... I know what it is like to develop web-sites ... but can we have the old site back ... please ... maybe just change the colours if you really have to. :)
01/14/2009 (6:19 am)
Now that I have had a chance to use the site a little more I tend to agree with the overall sentiment.Overall the site looks very pretty and the theme is crisp and clear (not that there was anything wrong with the previous colours) but unfortunately there is a lot of functionality that is missing that I used on a regular basis.
These are now no longer and unfortunately makes actually using the site and being part of the community a little bit of a pain. Don't get me wrong ... you guys did an awesome job ... I know what it is like to develop web-sites ... but can we have the old site back ... please ... maybe just change the colours if you really have to. :)
#73
This site looks good but is feeling very distilled.
This might be small, but it bothers me that I have to click through this blog ,
Page 1,2,3,4 ..etc and each time the full blog is taking up the most top of the space.
I would like to just be able to read peoples comments in a single flow like before.
Bring back the functionality we were all used to, but in this new look.
01/14/2009 (6:41 am)
Even though I first wrote that I was impressed, I am feeling allot of the pains that the others are echoing.This site looks good but is feeling very distilled.
This might be small, but it bothers me that I have to click through this blog ,
Page 1,2,3,4 ..etc and each time the full blog is taking up the most top of the space.
I would like to just be able to read peoples comments in a single flow like before.
Bring back the functionality we were all used to, but in this new look.
#74
which is probably correct but feels wrong to me.
It means I then have to surf back to the page I just posted on just to see the comment I just posted?
01/14/2009 (6:43 am)
As well now that I just posted the comment, it takes me right back to page one.,which is probably correct but feels wrong to me.
It means I then have to surf back to the page I just posted on just to see the comment I just posted?
#75
I would expect to see the latest post at the top, so your seeing the fresh news first
01/14/2009 (6:45 am)
Sorry, one more comment, in WHATS NEW it seems the posts are in reverse order.I would expect to see the latest post at the top, so your seeing the fresh news first
#76
01/14/2009 (6:54 am)
Nice look, but it lost a lot of usabillity like TDN, Resources and old Forums. 
#77
It seems to me that there have been no thoughts whatsoever to those that use the forum, blog and ressource threads daily.
The pages systems and the OP @ top of each, enforcing one to scroll down to get to that annoying pages system, is... sorry, a pain!
It really beats me that this much work have been ongoing with what seems 0 (zero) communication or thoughts about usability. Ok, Ill drop the slapping, Im off anyways -way to moody to keep browsing today :/
01/14/2009 (6:57 am)
As I said on page 3, (why are there pages, man it's annoying) "but what about usability ?"It seems to me that there have been no thoughts whatsoever to those that use the forum, blog and ressource threads daily.
The pages systems and the OP @ top of each, enforcing one to scroll down to get to that annoying pages system, is... sorry, a pain!
It really beats me that this much work have been ongoing with what seems 0 (zero) communication or thoughts about usability. Ok, Ill drop the slapping, Im off anyways -way to moody to keep browsing today :/
#78
01/14/2009 (7:03 am)
Site looks great guys, kudos! I have however noticed that my download link for Show Tool produces a 404 error "Download url cannot be found". I have checked all of my other download links and they are all working.
#79
Since this is supposed to be new improved I have a few suggestions:
1.There should be a compulsory option of "version of torque" for submitting resource.
2.Other Optional flags like Game, code , script wherever there is a posting facility for user.
3. Well Manageable history of forum posts and resourced, something like My favorites
4. Multiple themes, I would like to have both old yellow and a dark coder theme(a high contrast theme). Its all I care about when reading.
I think there is no need to make the inner user features like forums a graphic extravagance, but to keep it very simple all over. Unlike the GreatGamesExperiment which is very graphic.
01/14/2009 (7:10 am)
Well I thinks that this new design is good to go. I never cared about the color and theme, but I had got used to the old one though. Since this is supposed to be new improved I have a few suggestions:
1.There should be a compulsory option of "version of torque" for submitting resource.
2.Other Optional flags like Game, code , script wherever there is a posting facility for user.
3. Well Manageable history of forum posts and resourced, something like My favorites
4. Multiple themes, I would like to have both old yellow and a dark coder theme(a high contrast theme). Its all I care about when reading.
I think there is no need to make the inner user features like forums a graphic extravagance, but to keep it very simple all over. Unlike the GreatGamesExperiment which is very graphic.
#80
Running Mac OS X 10.4.11 2x 2.66 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeons in Safari
On the HOME page as your 4 images Cycle and the button changes with them I see no text on those
buttons. But on My P.C at home I can see text on those buttons as the images cycle.
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Wheres the little link to show you how to embed an image or URL like before?
01/14/2009 (7:21 am)
O.k Im at my work computer right now.Running Mac OS X 10.4.11 2x 2.66 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeons in Safari
On the HOME page as your 4 images Cycle and the button changes with them I see no text on those
buttons. But on My P.C at home I can see text on those buttons as the images cycle.
----
Wheres the little link to show you how to embed an image or URL like before?
Torque Owner Gary Preston
"But the points below affect the usefulness of this site for me."
I need an edit button more than most it seems :)