Barricade Demo

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Steve YorkshireRifles Acaster   (Jun 20, 2008 at 22:49 GMT)

That relief mapping really is something!

Apparatus   (Jun 20, 2008 at 23:20 GMT)

Loved it. Must upgrade.

jydog   (Jun 21, 2008 at 01:48 GMT)

Looks excellANT!

Taylor Petrick   (Jun 21, 2008 at 04:08 GMT)

That looks awsome!

Nathan Martin   (Jun 21, 2008 at 06:40 GMT)

Figured out a neat trick. When the interactive demo is running hit Alt+C to switch camera videos and you end up controlling the player that was shown sitting on the garagegames G logo. You can also fly by holding down the right mouse button and he can shoot a grenade like explosive using the fire button (left mouse button).

One odd thing I noticed though when in third person view (hit tab key) and looking at the water there's a odd field effect like thing going on around any objects that are between the camera and the water such as the player object in third person view, but only ever occurs at some positions around the water such as the shallow end near the castle like wall structure. I also see a similar effect while in free camera movement moving around while the mission editor is open, it'll do a weird effect right under the menus when near the shallow end of the water again near the caste walls.

Another interesting thing with the water is there is a horizon white or blank line where the terrain and water line intersect, especially noticeable off in the distance free camera roaming flying across the water. I see it in other engines as well such as the shader water examples in ogre3d graphics engine.

Over all really nice demo and I love during the interactive demo how nice the water always looked, most realistic water shaders I've ever seen. Question about the terrain textures, did you guys just use a single LOD texture for the entire terrain? Cause I didn't see the terrain show more detail as closer you got it, except just smoothed out enlarged texture with no detail enhancements or is that not available in TGEA, just in TGE?

One last very little thing, how come we didn't get any fancy music playing in the background while interactive demo ran just like in the video you posted? That would have been sweet! :)
Edited on Jun 21, 2008 06:41 GMT

JC   (Jun 21, 2008 at 15:10 GMT)

Did anyone notice if there was any full screen shaders? I didn't see it in the demo but it said that they were supported.

Michael Perry   (Jun 21, 2008 at 16:04 GMT)

Yay Barricade!!!!

@JChack - DRL, Bloom, and the view from under water are all examples of the full screen shaders.

Todd Pickens   (Jun 21, 2008 at 19:23 GMT)

Sweet!

Mquaker   (Jun 22, 2008 at 23:45 GMT)

Great!

Thanks matt~!

Andrea Barolo   (Jun 23, 2008 at 07:38 GMT)

I'm sorry to have to comment a bit negatively... I've got a set-up that is better than the one recommended. And the demo works quite good. Just to make a try I've started the editor (f11) and tried to duplicate some of the difs around (not so much but a piece more of the bridge another starship and 3 or 4 barricades. The engine starts to suffer badly. I've noticed that Difs got no LOD but as my plan is to build a village with a bunch of houses around, I wonder if TGEA (that I already bought by the way) is good for my project. So a question comes to mind: does duplicated dif work like instances of the first (so no more video memory used) or are them considered like new entities? Another thing, the terrains is atlas right? I cannot see shadow projected by difs on terrain even after full relight, is lightmapping supported on atlas?. Last thing: on the starship even after activating smooth lighting and after full relight the rounded parts of the dif are segmented for me. Is that an unsolved problem?
I've got a Nvidia GeForce 7850 GT with 512 megs and a core 2 Duo E6700.

Matt Fairfax   (Jun 23, 2008 at 07:46 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Hey Andrea,
Probably best to take these kind of questions to the forums soo that we can have a bit more in-depth discussion about them but I will hit on it quickly.

Torque mostly treats the DIF's as separate entities since the lightmaps for each DIF is distinct. Adding LOD to those DIF's would get you a lot more performance (and is on our long range plans for this demo).

Atlas in its current form does not support casting lightmapped shadows from Interiors and Shapes onto the terrain. You will need to use a TerrainBlock or MegaTerrain for that. It is something that Rene has looked into but we don't have any solid plans for that at the moment.

The DIF's in Barricade were exported with map2dif (an older version) which does not support smoothing (even with the flag set).
Edited on Jun 23, 2008 07:47 GMT

Andrea Barolo   (Jun 23, 2008 at 09:08 GMT)

Thankyou for the quick and informative answer!

James Laker (BurNinG)   (Jun 23, 2008 at 10:24 GMT)

Wooohooo... Nice work! I love the pace you got now :-)

Stevenup7002   (Jun 24, 2008 at 23:19 GMT)

Hello people,
Unfortunately, I have quite a large problem with the Barricade demo and TGEA 1.7.0. Strangely enough, this problem doesn't occur with the Forge demo or TGEA 1.0.3. The Application itself seems to load fine, however, when I get to the point where it goes to load a mission, the game will get stuck at "LOADING DATABLOCKS". Sometimes this will just get stuck after the loading bar has been filled, and sometimes when I press the load mission button, nothing happens.. I have noticed in TGEA 1.7.0 that if I activate another window outside of TGEA, it will sometimes progress with loading, but this is not very common. Sometimes in the Stronghold demo, I do not even get to the point where I can load the menu, rather, I get a black screen after the TGEA logo fades out. The only temporary solution I have found to this is to reboot the system, but I plan to sell my game, and I'm pretty sure my customers don't want to be rebooting every time they wish to play.

http://motronsoftware.com/console.jpg
There is a link to a screen-capture of my console window after the button does nothing. If you request any more information please do so, I would like to resolve this problem as soon as possible.

My system specs are:

AMD Athlon64 x2 4200+
Nvidia GeForce 8800GTS 320MB
2GB of RAM
2 Monitors (Doubt this would cause problems)
Windows XP Professional (Corporate Edition) SP2
600W PSU

Now, I am currently blaming the inability to load on the fact that I usually have many applications open at once when I try to run any of the demos, and sometimes I find that closing tabs in firefox can sometimes let it load.

I would appreciate any help as soon as possible, please email me at: steven@motronsoftware.com , however I reccomend that you leave a follow-up comment here incase anyone else who has the problem can resolve it.

Thanks, demo looks great from the video anyway,
-Steve

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