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Determinance Cloth Pack

Name:	Ian Omroth Hardingham
Date Posted:	Feb 23, 2007
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Hey guys.

In case you missed it, Determinance has been released. We're having a fantastic reaction, and it really is very exciting.

A lot of people want to know whether we're going to make our cloth code publically available. My current plan is to release it in about 3 months as a Pack for $20. Releasing it for money allows me to put some work into making it extremely user friendly, with a gui for setting the cloth hit-elipses and so on.

I wanted to float that idea here, and see what everyone thinks about it. You can see exactly what you'll be getting in the Determinance demo. The cloth code is really very fast. We have two forms of cloth collision - "good", which is slower and we only generally put on "your" character (ie the one you see all the time), and "not especially good" which will quite often go through the legs, which is extremely fast.

So - do people think $20 is a fair price?

Ah yes, you can see the cloth code in full effect on this, er, rather strangely posed Determinance character. Marketing will be SO PLEASED that I've drawn more attention to this one.

Ian

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Frank Carney (Feb 23, 2007 at 18:06 GMT) Resource Rating: 5

Very cool.
Question, is this verlet based?

John Kabus (BobTheCBuilder) (Feb 23, 2007 at 18:09 GMT)

Hey Ian, Congratulations on releasing Determinance - it's an awesome game!

Allyn "Mr_Bloodworth" Mcelrath (Feb 23, 2007 at 18:15 GMT)

I don't think thats unacceptable at all.

Chip Lambert (Feb 23, 2007 at 18:17 GMT)

Credit card at the ready....

John Doppler Schiff (Feb 23, 2007 at 18:24 GMT)

I'm already looking under the couch cushions for change! $20 is quite reasonable. Do you take pre-orders?

Determinance looks great!

Tom Spilman (Feb 23, 2007 at 18:58 GMT)

When you price code packs you need to ask yourself "how much would it cost someone if they implemented it themselves?". If i had to implement this i would spend ... i'd say at the very least 20 hours, but most likely more to completely implement, debug, and optimize it. My time is worth much more than $1 per hour... your price is a steal. ;)

David Montgomery-Blake (Feb 23, 2007 at 19:06 GMT)

I agree with Tom. The price is an extreme steal!

Fucifer (Feb 23, 2007 at 19:37 GMT)

The price is very outstanding.

Thak (Feb 23, 2007 at 19:49 GMT)

Is as good as bought man. Can you make it faster? *pokes teasing*

EDIT: Oh and yep price is a steal. Depends on the level of ease of use for non-programmers, ya should up it to 50 or 99.
Edited on Feb 23, 2007 19:54 GMT

Nick Wagner (Feb 23, 2007 at 20:57 GMT)

sign me up.

Andy Hawkins (Feb 23, 2007 at 22:38 GMT)

I agree with Alan - way too inexpensive for me :)

And I agree with Thak. Have a commercial version for $99. Depending on it's useability - ie ability to apply it to existing models and new models, and ability to craft our own clothes then I would say you might wanna charge around $40 for the indie version and maybe up to $200 for commercial version. But have a cut-down version for the budget conscious. $20 is a good budget price.

Andy Hawkins (Feb 23, 2007 at 22:40 GMT)

Oh and dude... make a Highlander patch for Determinance - use urban content and minimise the flying and have lots of decaps... sooo cool!

Quote:
Better to burn out, than to fade away

Quote:
There can be only one

Cue rockin' Queen soundtrack...

Florian (Feb 23, 2007 at 22:43 GMT)

hmm, i liked the cloths in determance but i saw a lot when the cloth just gos trough legs and arms and it moves really fast like it it realy realy light weight
so if you could make the collision perform better and if you could add something to adjust the weight of the cloth then this would be a pretty neat package

Edward Smith (Feb 24, 2007 at 01:03 GMT) Resource Rating: 5

Well I feel it depends how easy it is to use like is it just attached to a model via a mount point?

I think $20 is a good price :-), its not too high to make people wonder if its a feature they'll use, you want to get the people who really want it and the ones that go yeah that looks cool, I could use that one day... :-)

I wouldn't really be tempted at a much higher price personally, depends on how much you want it I suppose.

I'm guessing its TGE only, TGEA?
Edited on Feb 25, 2007 10:14 GMT

Tom Perry (Feb 24, 2007 at 01:05 GMT)

Yea I think that would be a great idea, and very nice price :) How easy it would be to implement would be my biggest factor when deciding whether or not to purchase.

Edit: O and any plans for a TGEA release?
Edited on Feb 24, 2007 01:05 GMT

Ramen-sama (Feb 24, 2007 at 02:40 GMT)

Great. finally a pack i would buy. But i'd need to know how the cloth works. Is there any more details of the surface properties you'd have to set on them.... like a surface name or something?

Basically, how does it work on the models?

Tom Bampton (Feb 24, 2007 at 11:07 GMT)

Just to reiterate. $20 is selling yourself ridiculously short, especially given the amount of work you're going to have to do to turn it into a pack and ship it.

Also, that character looks stoned.

T.

Ian Omroth Hardingham (Feb 24, 2007 at 16:26 GMT)

Cheers for the feedback everyone.

As for ease of use, that's an absolute definite. This will be easy to install, and a modeller simply has to tie any cloth vert to a node called "cloth" - extremely straight-forward. Setting up the hitboxes will take a bit of time, but is only a one-off thing.

Florian, indeed sometimes the Determinance cloth looks a little light. I'll need to play around with the constants to see if the system can get slower moving stuff.

I'll look again at the price. I'm very reluctant to over-charge, so I'll take a look at all the other packs and see where I think this one fits in.

Ian

Barry Gallagher (Feb 24, 2007 at 17:55 GMT)

above url is wrong.. http://"www.mode7games.com"/ ...you dont need the quotation marks

Ian Omroth Hardingham (Feb 24, 2007 at 18:41 GMT)

Oops, fixed now cheers Barry.

Christian S (Feb 25, 2007 at 00:47 GMT)

Id buy it as soon as you allow me to do so ;)

Nice work!

Ramen-sama (Feb 25, 2007 at 08:14 GMT)

Don't overcharge! i'm poor! $20 is fine :p

Cliff (Feb 26, 2007 at 21:51 GMT)

I'm in the "way too inexpensive" camp on this one.

Thak (Apr 11, 2007 at 17:52 GMT)

*pokes Ian teasingly* Update? ;)

David Stocker (Jul 12, 2007 at 08:06 GMT)

ohhh... count me in on this one!

David Horn (Nov 16, 2007 at 23:22 GMT)

Hi - I was curious to see if there was any updates on the cloth pack yet?

Dave Young (Apr 25, 2008 at 12:59 GMT)

Cloth! we want cloth!

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