Plan for Xavier "eXoDuS" Amado

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Xavier "eXoDuS" Amado   (Nov 11, 2003 at 03:10 GMT)

I think something is not clear enough, I don't mean that making a game or teams is impossible, since there's 2 companies that I really think they have done a great, no, awesome job, those are BraveTree and 21-6. Those guys are great and have the direction and passion that composes my idea of Indie development, I really wish I could have done something like what they've done with my company and PowerRace.
I guess I don't have what it takes.

Jeff Tunnell   (Nov 11, 2003 at 05:23 GMT)

Hey, I read all the way to the bottom:)

Your IOTD is still up, but there are more in the queue, so it won't be up as long as Sean's was. To be honest, his looked better and more thought out than yours. Have you thought about pooling your interests and helping each other?

If you are impressed with Bravetree and 21-6, maybe you could work on a project with them?


I think you are being WAY too hard on yourself. Sometimes you do come across a little harsh, but you do know what you are doing. I think it would be a shame to quit game development.

-Jeff Tunnell GG

Xavier "eXoDuS" Amado   (Nov 11, 2003 at 05:32 GMT)

Jeff, I really wasn't expecting you to read my plan, guess that changes my view of things a bit about some things, that maybe I haven't expressed but thought. Thanks a lot for reading it all the way to the end too.

Regarding to the IOTD, I don't see how you can say his was more thought out than mine, I don't even think they are comparable things. What he did was a simple IRC client implementation, which in turn, is *part* of what my project does. My attempt was not an IRC client, but a gaming system like Blizzard's Battle.NET. In order to achieve this I implemented an IRC client, but used many of IRC's commands that in normal chat clients are used for notices, private messages, etc to implement the game join, track change, slot status', etc.
Anyway, his looked better, yes probably, he had 2d art, I didn't... that's how most time it is, things receive critic from the eyecandy and not from the work behind them, I knew that would happen, but well, I wanted to post that now since there's a long way till that gets the 2d art/layout done for it, if it's ever done.

I doubt either company would have any fillings or interest for me. And about the game development thing, I'm still thinking about it, it all depends how things turn out in the next week, or the next couple of weeks, I have a busy couple of weeks, specially from university.

Thanks again, I always had the feeling you hated me with a passion.

Sabrecyd   (Nov 11, 2003 at 13:29 GMT)

Hey Xavier,
Sorry to hear that you left the Rise of Power project. I can understand the tension that can arise between members tho. Sounds like you could use a good break. I've needed that a couple times. Just to take a step back and get away from code/script for awhile really helps (the beach is good. Remote backpacking/camping works for me). I'm sure the exams don't exactly allow that right now but like you said when the year is over...

Anyway, best of luck to you with your new projects.

btw I never thought you were a dick. You've helped me out a few times when I needed it. Thanks for that.

Phil Carlisle   (Nov 11, 2003 at 13:44 GMT)

Hehehe.. yeah, I think you need to not be so hard on yourself! dont imagine we dont all go through the same situations too.

Ive had projects break apart, many times due to myself, so I can understand your feeling about that. All I can suggest, is to keep going, because eventually you WILL find the team like bravetree or 21-6 or whoever.

It takes a lot of effort to finally end up with something good, but at least it IS good.

Stick with it!

Phil.

Xavier "eXoDuS" Amado   (Nov 11, 2003 at 13:50 GMT)

Damn post was lost, well, replay.

@Sabre: thanks for your comments. I do think I need a break, In less than a month college is over and I'm going back to my home for 2~3 months, so hopefully that will be enough time to get a fresh mind and a fresh start.

@Phil: Yeah, but I keep thinking that I might not find a good team to work with and I will keep wasting more and more time on trying to. I guess it depends on the mood with which you make decisions, I'm going to wait for these vacations to see what I can come up with to work on, if anything, and try to get some other people to help. I guess.
Thanks to you too.

Frank Bignone   (Nov 11, 2003 at 18:40 GMT)

@Xavier: Don't be too much hard with yourself and keep up with your work. I remember you as a good pal (even if we did not work together). If you had some good idea, go ahead and do it. Do not bother too much about the other.

(You are really good man, it's my first post here since many months) ;)

Ron Yacketta   (Nov 11, 2003 at 18:41 GMT)

@X,

I had similar issues over the past couple of years. Part of several projects that went nowhere; some issues were personal conflicts others were the team itself. I stuck with it and fought through the rough times. Things are starting to look up now that I am helping out 21-6 with Elements and doing some other side project stuff for the community.

Just keep your head above water and things will work out, even if it is just adding features to TGE that would be beneficial to the community. Someone is bound to take notice and inquire about your status to work on a dev team.

Might also be worthwhile to contact BT or 21-6, what is the worse they can so? No...

-Ron
Edited on Nov 11, 2003 19:29 GMT

Gilles Jr Lafrance   (Nov 11, 2003 at 20:30 GMT)

Xavier,

Hey, don't give up my friend. I'm really sorry to hear about those projects you've been into to finally get in a "dead end". I didn't knew all this. And for IRC, I really don't know how a developper have the time to chat there nway :) so It's a good thing if you're banned , hehe (I can hear some grrrr... hrrrrmmm from some IRC addict)

Personnaly, I've seen the good job you've put in your "Internet Gaming Network", with only what is needed for the gaming side. Both of the project are interesting and have their advantages. But yours won't be a ressource so that is maybe something that made Sean's one more interesting for lot of peoples and maybe GG. For the art sides, I understand what you mean :) But I think the "real" developpers can see the job behind the art easilly. If they don't see it, go away from them because they are those that will start a project and will never finish it :)

My opinion only, but why not continue to work on PowerRace with Charles ? Look, me and my brother are only 2 and I think we've made more then a lot of the "big team" I've seen around here, in less time. Why ? Passion. Like you seem to have yourself. I think you should just concentrate on one project at a time beeing a really small team because there is "Oh, so much works to do" :) But never forget the passion and that job will be fun.

Btw, we didn't forget about your offer about Linux. We're not just ready for it yet and as we don't now nothing about it, so we'll have lot of questions for you :) . But all this will be a little later. Oh, and I have redesigned all the temporary buttons that were on our screenshot, hehe.

Good luck with your exam !

Gilles Jr

Xavier "eXoDuS" Amado   (Nov 11, 2003 at 20:47 GMT)

I appreciate your backup guys, it does help a lot to try get "stable" again.. heh

@Frank: Thanks a lot for writing by dude, good to see you back too :)

@Ron: Yeah, some people did contact me about joining them, but most of the time I don't know what to do, or when I do join (previous projects are a fact) they end bad in some way. Guess I'll have to keep trying like you say, maybe one day I'm lucky. Thanks... rudolf ;) (sorry, I hadn't said that in a long time, heh)

@Gilles: Thanks to you too, and yes I know that IRC isn't really important, but well, it's always good to be able to discuss some design issues or ideas with someone else, or get anoter point of view on implementing something, etc. Glad to know someone actually got to see the IOTD and realize what it really was :)
The problem with powerrace is that Charles doesn't have much time, I'm pretty much on my own, my artist sent me some great car concepts today though, I really liked them.

bbsxavier.homelinux.net/~reivax/images/powerrace/rough_car_shapes.jpg

I'll actually look for an extra mapper/2dartist and see what we can do, wont hurt to increase the team size for now, I was planning on mounting a small 4~5 dev team though, we already have me, sound guy, mapper(charles) and artist (asaf).. but well, gonna try with an extra couple of members see what we can do... else I'll think I'll forget about powerrace... sigh :(
I do think you two have a good thing in hands, and a good passion for it, the game is the most strange idea I've heard to date, and it's cool :)

Sure, answering questions hasn't hurt anybody ;)
And I even have now the Linux software installer, which is looking great, and I'll keep working and improving. Still need to get some feedback from the TZ Beta.

I got back from the exam and It wasn't that bad, thank you :)

PS: Glad those buttons are gone :)

And to everyone else that reads even the comments, thanks :)

Gilles Jr Lafrance   (Nov 12, 2003 at 14:17 GMT)

Those models are really cool. I can imagine them 3D and see them in PowerRace. It will be really fun to play. I also imagine this game made with torque and I can see how eye candy it could look the way I see it in my head :) Really hope you keep it going. If you need a little help, suggestions, or just testers, just ask (e-mail, maybe). We can't offer to enter the team because like you already know, we have to finish that "mysterious" BUGhey! :)

... strange ? hehe, ok, I like that :) I remember seeing Myst pub where no-one could tell what the h.ll that game was going to be. Coincidence, they where 2 brothers working on that game at first :), then a friend helped them to finish the game. Then, they got rich and they now have around 100-200 peoples (just a guess) working for them ! hehe Oh well, BUGhey! won't have that much impact as Myst, but I think that those 2 bros have shown us how to form a team :) :

"Work, beleive in your work, work again, don't listen to the "big heads" that can't take something they define as "not standard" just because they are not the one who got the idea, continue to work, then become the big head and define new standards", doh ! :)

PowerRace ! I like that !

Gilles Jr

Neil Marshall   (Nov 13, 2003 at 01:31 GMT)

Personally, I think you should do the bike racing game ;)

Ryan Ackley   (Nov 13, 2003 at 05:31 GMT)

Hey, there is something to be said about working on your own for a while. As its all me on my project, and I wouldnt dare ask for help, as I only work on it when i have free time during the semester. Having recently lost my gf and quitting smoking, i have a few reasons to lock myself in my dorm and put my IDE to work for a few days over a long weekend. Working by myself has also forced me to develop some 3D modeling skills, among other skillz, which got some notice on campus, an now Im working with an animation team to submit a student animation project to SIGRAPH's annual SPACE competition next summer. My spring semester is going to be spent wrestling with 3dsMax 5 and the reactor physics engine. Heh, and thats not to mention the full course load im taking so i can graduate in May :) Keep your head up man, and remember there are truly "independant" teams sympathetic to your situation.
Edited on Nov 13, 2003 05:32 GMT

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