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Anthony   (Dec 10, 2006 at 09:08 GMT)

I have to agree. I own a Wii and it is by far the most fun I have had with a game in years. It is bringing back that old feeling you use to have playing games, the kind of fun that has been lost as of late, but luckily Nintendo gambled, but won the hearts of many.

Matt Huston   (Dec 10, 2006 at 12:26 GMT)

I am planning to get a Wii after the New Year. From what I hear and as Anthony just said, it seems Nintendo's gamble of gameplay over graphics has succeeded which I think is excellent.

Alex Resendes   (Dec 10, 2006 at 12:27 GMT)

I have to disagree. I have not been impressed with the Revolution (I refuse to call it by its official name). The system really doesn't offer anything new in terms of game designs. We are seeing the same games with a new interface. I don't find the new controller a big addition to the overall experience. Then there are the system specs that are sub par and barely improved over the Gamecube. You are essentially buying an over priced peripheral that does not bring much new to the table. The game lineup is disappointing as well. Both the released games and the upcoming games that have been announced.

Okashira   (Dec 10, 2006 at 12:50 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Yeah the Wii is great. I was most suprised with Wii Sports. I figured it would just be a pack of a few games to show off the Wii's features and that once I got 'real' games it would collect dust. Though I still see myself playing Wii Tennis...

Also, check on eBay for the Wii. If you get lucky and watch it for a few days, you can get one for only $25-$50 more then retail($250).

Donald \"Yadot\" Harris   (Dec 10, 2006 at 14:13 GMT)

Alex have you seen the reports on the games at all? All most every well know site and show has given the luanch titles for the Wii an average of 4 out of 5 stars while PS3 is was around 2. As far as not bringing anything new to the table uh... the controller is the new part. Nintendo never said it wanted to rule the world graphically, they just wanted to include your mom dad and sister in the game play experience. You should really just give the Wii a try. It's a lot better than what you think.

Anthony   (Dec 10, 2006 at 15:46 GMT)

Agreed Donald. Anyone I have seen play it has loved it. It is obviously not as powerful graphic wise as its competitors, but it is not that far behind either. You may think of the controller as the xtra you are paying for, but really, when the 20th comes up and the Nintendo internet experience is unleashed, there will be much more fun to be had. Not to metion, as opposed to teh XB360 and PS3, internet gameplay will be free.

Also, as far as future games, it is possible we will see most games (popular) ported to the Wii. The next GTA will very likely be released for the Nintendo Wii (Take Two and Nintendo have been talking for a while now, it is speculated that since Nintendo has decided to release M rated games for the Wii, and judging by their talks with TT as of late, GTA4 will be released on Wii sometime after initial launch).

I am in no way downplaying any of the other systems, I have a 360 as well, and have played the PS3. Both are great, I just believe along with many others, that the Wii is just more fun all around.

Not to mention the Dev license for Nintendo is only $2,000...

Jeppie   (Dec 10, 2006 at 17:39 GMT)

Donald,

Yea, yea, wee wee sports, a new controller, blah blah blah, where are the GAMES? Show me one non-kiddie exclusive game besides Zelda that is worth buying. And I'm not even talking games that are out now, I'm talking for the first half of 2007 as well.

http://www.ebgames.com/comingsoon.asp?platform=34&sortby=eta&imageFlag=show

The first appealing exclusive game that Nintendo comes out with, I'll buy a wee wee, but it looks like it's gonna be a *long* time before that happens (I've never been a Zelda fan, and don't care for anime). When Nintendo was successful before, they had Capcom and Konomi pumping out exclusive titles for them. Now those guys are in the other camps. It's going to take a lot more than a gimmic controller for Nintendo to become a "contenda" imo.
Edited on Dec 10, 2006 17:40 GMT

Okashira   (Dec 10, 2006 at 17:46 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

@Arthur
Well, the newest Resident Evil. Red Steel. And there are quite a few others. Remember - there will now be Mature games on Nintendo platforms, and since the Wii is targeting ALL audiences it is assumed that there will be your GTAs.

And really, the controller isn't a gimmick. Infact, it has made 'clone' games like Madden and Virtua Tennis original.

It seems that you are either one of those people who think graphics are the only thing that matters, or you just have some problem with Nintendo. But please correct me if I am wrong.

Blake Lowry   (Dec 10, 2006 at 17:48 GMT)

I think the Wii is a cool idea, but its definitely not in a place where it would be the only console I own. Its a retooled Gamecube with a new controller.. which I am convinced was a gimmick to sell another system made of old Gamecube stock packed with more RAM and a slightly faster processor. I bought the Gamecube on launch day when it came out and an Xbox a year later.. I BARELY ever played my GC after I got an Xbox. This is another reason why I havent bought the Wii yet.. the GC disappointed.

BTW.. the reviews for the high-profile Wii games actually havent been that great aside from Zelda. On Gamespot:

Rapala Fishing - 4.5/10
Red Steel - 5.5/10
Excite Truck - 6.8/10

I am waiting to get one when Super Smash Bros and Mario comes out.. although Mario Galaxy looks odd (another Mario Sunshine?). So far, I am not getting caught up in the Wii-Fever :\

Luke Larson   (Dec 10, 2006 at 17:50 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Well said Anthony.

I'd like to bring Twilight Princess to the table. Though there is still no doubt that games like Gears of War and Resistance surpass Twilight outrageously in the graphical department, there is something to be said about it. It doesn't take a high poly count, high resolution textures, and bump maps on every nook and cranny for a game to look beautiful. I've never seen such atmosphere in a game. This game oozes detail; one room in Twilight is prettier than a lot of next-gen titles.
Edited on Dec 10, 2006 17:57 GMT

Ian \"Xest\" Winter   (Dec 10, 2006 at 17:53 GMT)

I struggle to see how anyone can claim the Wii brings nothing new to the table, if not bringing a whole new interface and way of playing to the table is nothing new then what is? I seriously hope there's no suggestion that the PS3 or 360 brought something new to the table as they were even less innovative again. Comparing what the Wii has done in relation to other consoles over the past few years it's hard to beleive that anything is bringing something new to the table if bringing a whole new way of playing isn't. Also, suggesting that the Wii is overpriced is particularly confusing when it's the cheapest next-gen console out there, it's extremely reasonably priced and that's coming from someone in Europe who gets ripped off even more than most people do! What's more, the games are even cheaper on the Wii also with UK prices being around
Edited on Dec 11, 2006 16:56 GMT

John Kanalakis   (Dec 10, 2006 at 18:11 GMT)

Good or Bad, the Wii is not selling very well in the Silicon Valley area - all the stores are well stocked with them and they don't seem to be selling that well (in our area at least). I'm glad to see some new innovations by Nintendo and having some guts to try something different. I even like the shape of the console. But in the end, I think the name is really hurting them. It might work for the Asian market, but in North America, it just ends up being joked about and not taken seriously. It just goes to show that even a great product can be hurt by bad naming.

Okashira   (Dec 10, 2006 at 18:15 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

@John
On the selling, I'm not sure about your area(except by what you said), but they are all out in most of Michigan.

Tank Dork   (Dec 10, 2006 at 19:49 GMT)

and most of Florida as well.

Jeppie   (Dec 10, 2006 at 20:34 GMT)

>It seems that you are either one of those people who think graphics are the only thing that matters, or you >just have some problem with Nintendo. But please correct me if I am wrong.


Okashira,

BIAS! BIAS! I don't see a reason to own a Wee yet so I must be BIASED!!

Sheesh, actually nothing could be further from the truth. To me when I decide to buy a system one thing, and one thing alone matters: what games are coming out on it? Period. Atari, NEC, Sega, Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, I don't care. I really don't. I've owned systems by all of those at various times and I have just about zero brand loyalty when it comes to systems. Because ultimately the fact that a game is coming out on a Wee or a 360 or a PS3 doesn't make the game good or bad. It's the opposite. It's the fact that a game is coming out on a system that makes the *system* good or bad. So seriously, take a look at the games that are out now, and are coming out in the next 6 months or so, and I dare someone to tell me that the Wee's lineup is better (or even competitive). I dare you. There's just no way to say that with a straight face (imho), unless you are buying for very young children, or are an anime fanatic or something. If the pricetag is the main factor, then cool, understandable, and the Wee is a good value. But at least know why you are buying it. And I wish Nintendo well, because I like the fact that there are 3 systems competing with one another. That's good for us consumers.

These things change though. A month from now Nintendo may sign up some great developers and get some great exclusive content, then cool, I'll be first in line to buy a Wee Wee.
Edited on Dec 10, 2006 20:41 GMT

Donald \"Yadot\" Harris   (Dec 10, 2006 at 20:54 GMT)

@Arthur Dent
Exclusive titles does not make a console a hit. It does help but its not the only thing. At the end of the day its how many consoles sold and how many games are sold. This 'gimmick' is reaching a larger audience and with the availability of the hardware it has a greater chance.

@Luke
Agree poly count aint everything... I mean hey aren't we always trying to lower it??

@John K.
Two things. Can you get me 3 Wii units if I send you the money?
Secondly - If Wii is joked about that just means that again everyone and their mom knows about it. The jokes are not bad press and they have a lot more buzz going for it than the PS3. Just like Wiihaveaproblem.com still press.. not favorable but press indeed.

Okashira   (Dec 10, 2006 at 21:05 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

@Arthur
First of all - please relax. I, as an owner of the Wii, personally think there are quite alot of non-kiddie and non-"anime fanatic" games for the Wii that are good games(sidenote - the playstation has always had a superior amount of anime-style games, especially rpgs). Especially some of the up and coming titles(the new Resident Evil, Vitrua Tennis, and many more).

But then again, I, as a Wii owner, would probably be considered biased towards the Wii. But then again, aren't we really all biased in some way?

So, let's not act like kids and argue "My console is better then yours'!". Let's leave that for the rant forums. Can't we all just be friends?

:P

Okashira   (Dec 10, 2006 at 21:25 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Here are just SOME examples of some more mature Wii EXCLUSIVE games-
Darkness - Vampire fun
Disaster - Described as Nintendo's first-party attempt at moving away from a family-values, kid-friendly game
Far Cry Vengance - We all know about Far Cry and it's filthy mouth...
Metroid Prime 3 : Corruption - The sequal to the series described by some as having "better gameplay and graphics then Halo and Halo 2"
No More Heroes - Awesome looking Killer7-style game
Project Hammer - Violent, cybord fun!
Red Steel - Everybody knows about this!
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles - Speaks for itself. Not to be confused with Resident Evil 5 for the PS3 and 360.
Sengoku Musou Wave - Bloody, Dynasty Warriors-style game

All of those listed above can be looked up on Wikipedia.com, and most(if not all) can also be looked up on IGN.

EDIT : List of announced Wii games - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_games
Edited on Dec 10, 2006 21:26 GMT

Jeppie   (Dec 10, 2006 at 23:07 GMT)

Donald,

Well, let's just say there is a direct corellation between exclusive content, a systems popularity to the public, and ultimately it's profitability and survival. Agreed? Which is the cause and which is the effect is arguable, but there is certainly a direct corellation. No console has ever thrived simply by being the lowest common denominator before and I don't see that happening now.


Okashira,

I'm calm :) But your characterization of me as only interested in fluff or based on some grudge was hitting below the belt and had no basis. That's all. If those games you list come out and turn out to be excellent games, then cool! I look forward to playing them. But most of that stuff you list is either:

a) more-or-less a cross platform game (Farcry, Darkness)
b) cleary an inferior game relative to what other platforms have (Red Steel = 5.5 on GameSpot, relative to games like Halo 3, Gears of War, or Resistance Fall of Man)
c) completely off the radar as far as release info

So I dunno. '07 looks extremely lean to me for the Wee. I just don't know what it is that I'd be playing on a Wee 6 months from now if I were to buy one.

Okashira   (Dec 10, 2006 at 23:47 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Just to clear anything up - I wasn't trying to attack. If you read my post you will see that you seemed that way, in my opinion. But to correct me if I am wrong. (sidenote - I am used to the whiney kids on most other game dev forums that just support a system because that is the one their parents bought for them).

Oh, and Darkness(Though there is a game called THE Darkness, which is based on a comic book and is on the PS3 and 360) and that particular Farcry(though they are all really similar) are exclusive to the Wii.

So, no hard feelings.

See ya,
Okashira
Edited on Dec 10, 2006 23:48 GMT

Donald \"Yadot\" Harris   (Dec 11, 2006 at 00:28 GMT)

Like my boy Bob said..

One love! one heart!
Lets get together and feel all right.

John Kanalakis   (Dec 11, 2006 at 01:09 GMT)

Wow! I'm wondering if I should have bought a couple when I saw them. This was just a few days ago and there were boxes of them stacked. I think all of the local attention is on PS3. Also, to be neutral, there were dozens of Xbox 360s. Naturally, no PS3s to be found.
Edited on Dec 11, 2006 02:08 GMT

Alex Resendes   (Dec 11, 2006 at 01:47 GMT)

@Arthur and Blake
I agree with you guys. There just aren't good games and it is looking like the Gamecube all over again, but worse. This time the hardware is inferior to the competition whereas the GC was comparable.

@Donald
I have played multiple games on the Revolution and there is nothing special about any of them. They are just mediocre games with a new control scheme. The only good game is Zelda and I am getting that for GC this week.

I am glad that you guys are enjoying the system, but personally I am looking past all the hype and judging the system for what it is. It is last gen hardware with a new peripheral and a poor game lineup. That to me just is not worth the money, especially after the disaster that was the GC.

Okashira   (Dec 11, 2006 at 01:51 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

I am looking past all the hype too, since I am actually experiencing it. But again, I'm biased(and I am more then willing to admit it).

Michael Cozzolino   (Dec 11, 2006 at 03:24 GMT)

Nintendo did a good job I think. Sony has dropped the ball so far a they probably won't gain any ground until next holiday season. I'm thinking of getting a wii even though I originally had no interest in getting one.

Jeppie   (Dec 11, 2006 at 04:04 GMT)

Okashira,

No problem! I hope your optimism regarding future Wee games turns out to be fact.

Nice chatting with you.

Anthony   (Dec 11, 2006 at 06:42 GMT)

So.... Anyone who has bought A Wii have a bad revue? I am very unbiased when it comes to game systems, like I said I own both the 360 and a nintendo wii and have played the PS3 on a few occasions. I have enjoyed all three to a degree. But, I have to say that to make a statement that the wii has brought nothing new to the table and is just a slightly better gamecube, you are obviously biased and do not own one yourself. The 360, basically an xbox with better graphics, still have to pay to play online and have to download updates for it to be backwards compatible. All in all the same gameplay will be had from a 360, it will just look better and the environments will be larger. But luckily it has a fare share of exclusive titles that are fun (I have Gears of War, very fun). Now, the Wii is almost the same, a gamecube but with slightly better graphics, but also provides a new way to play games (if you say that is not a big step in the "new" department, you have no idea what you are talking about. Gameplay is everything when it comes to games, it is what keeps a player coming back to play it time and time again). Because of the small upgrades in the right areas, it has allowed nintendo to have an advantage over its competitors.

Basically, Nintendo knew they couldn't win in the graphics department from day one, so they had to make a focus on something else, which is were the controller and FREE online play come from. Many of the exclusive titles on the PS3 and 360 are planned to be released for the Wii as well. Also, development cost of a Wii game is MUCH lower than its competitors which will increase its longevity.

I am not putting down the other systems at all. As a matter of fact, I think this round of consoles is the only one were a gamer should really get all three. XB360 has the backing to create some really great games. The PS3 has capabilities that are untapped right now and am sure will be great in the short time coming.

Also, the Wii is very close to outselling the 360 and PS3(well, it already sold more than the PS3, but Sony didn't ship many of the PS3's). It has already beat Microsofts XBox360's opening sales (only because Nintendo produced more units for launch due to the cheaper cost), and will likely continue to outsell. It is a fairly inexpensive, fun gaming console that many people both young and old are enjoying. I understand some will not buy into the Wii based on gamecube, and some wont because they are loyal to their system brand of choice. The bottom line is, you are really missing out by not owning one, it does things the other console's don't. In my opinion the 360+Wii are a great system combination to have, mostly based off the fact that they don't share many common games, and both are great fun.

I understand some wont enjoy one based on how the Gamecube did

Kenneth Holst   (Dec 11, 2006 at 06:54 GMT)

I look forward to seeing what Nintendo can pull off with the Wii and DS in the coming years. As the average gamers age now is somewhere around 25-30 (I think?) and has more disposable income, it seems to me that Nintendo is perfectly poised to play on the the older gamers love and affection for the now classic and irreplaceable big N franchises - over the virtual console as well as delivering new titles (Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc). In this respect I just dont believe that Nintendo is 'kiddy'. Good games are timeless and ageless.

I don't own a Wii but hope to sometime early next year. I guarantee I will play a lot of old games on it in addition to the new titles and I wont be the only one. I also can't wait to see what kinds of wireless interactivity they can implement between the DS and Wii.

It's probably the best time in my opinion to be a gamer since the SNES/Genesis wars. Bring it on!

Alex Resendes   (Dec 11, 2006 at 09:34 GMT)

@ Anthony
What new gameplay does the Revolution introduce? The gameplay in Twilight Princess for Gamecube and Revolution are the same, just the controls are different.

As for multi-platform games... The Revolution will get the short end of the stick for AAA games. You will see that a lot of games will come out for PC, 360, and PS3 and not the Revolution. The reason for this is because of technical limitations.
Edited on Dec 11, 2006 09:57 GMT

Anthony   (Dec 11, 2006 at 12:09 GMT)

The Wii is not that technically limited. And future release plans show that many AAA games are going to Wii, a big part of it is that Wii is projected to sell more units than 360/PS3 overall by next christmas. CoD has already been ported for the Wii, the next GTA is going to be available on the Wii, as well as a few cool little surpises.

Also, Nintedo has changed the way you play games on their console. THAT is a big gameplay introduction. It doesn't matter what it is that brings that new element to the table, it is just the fact that it is there. Just a small motion controlled game pad (remote) can change a gamers experience that much, very cool if you ask me. Controls are a major part of your gameplay experience, but it is not the control that is the major factor, it is the interactivity that is. They have mostly changed the way you interact with the game, which has in turn changed how the games are played, and that gives the Wii and edge, the edge it needs to compete.

I guess I don't have a real point in arguing or trying to prove any mute points as sales figures and user ratings speak for themselves. I am not saying Wii is better than the other two, I just think you aren't giving credit to how well developed the Wii has become, and how much more fun tried games are. I can tell you, playing football/first person shooters on the Wii is a completely different experience than the other two consoles. I really think you should give it another chance, check it out and have some fun.

It truly is a great day for gamers :)

Ian \"Xest\" Winter   (Dec 11, 2006 at 17:01 GMT)

Hmm, my original post got chopped off half-way through for some reason.

Not sure what you mean about about the Wii being unable to handle AAA titles, Call of Duty 3 and Need for Speed Carbon are already out there for it with plenty more in the pipeline.

With the cost of development of games spiralling out of control many developers are seeing the Wii as extremely promising, it's a highly attractive console due to it's innovative new interface and low price yet lower cost to produce games leading to higher profit margins. Comments from the major studios suggest that the Wii will in fact have the largest developer base aiming for it as their target platform rather than a minor developer base.
Edited on Dec 11, 2006 17:34 GMT

Okashira   (Dec 12, 2006 at 00:07 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Also, though this may not really be a good hardware point, Wii has the awesome Virtual Arcade. It's nice to play the original Zelda with the classic controller on my big screen :).

Alex Resendes   (Dec 12, 2006 at 00:55 GMT)

I would hardly consider NFS Carbon a AAA title. COD 3 is out on Rev and it is comparable to the ps2 and xbox versions of the game, but not the 360 and PS3 versions. If you guys honestly believe that GTA on the Rev will be as good as the 360 and PS3 versions, then you are just setting yourselves up for disappointment.

Lets not kid ourselves... Nintendo openly admits that they sacrificed the hardware specs to keep the price down and that their focus was on the controller. They refer to their system as "new-gen" as opposed to "next-gen". You will not see titles like Oblivion, Mass Effect, Alan Wake, Assassins Creed, Huxley, Elveon, Crysis, and MGS4 because the Rev can not handle them. That is just a quick list of games that would be butchered if they attempted to port them to the Revolution.

I am not against the new controls, but sacrificing the hardware specs leaves the system more in the past rather than something that was supposed to revolutionize gaming and be the future. The future of gaming will be seen with advanced physics that lead to more interactive environments, advanced AI that leads to more believable characters, better animation that leads to more expressive emotions, better visuals that lead to more immersion, etc. These things are the future of games. The Revolution will not be able to introduce these things like PC, 360, and PS3.
Edited on Dec 12, 2006 00:58 GMT

Dylan Sale   (Dec 12, 2006 at 00:58 GMT)

Im loving my Wii. If I want graphics I play games on my PC, which will be better for graphics than any console for a majority of their lifetime, and upgrading a graphics card is cheaper than buying a PS3. I got the Wii for its innovations to gameplay :) The wiimote is just so awesome :D And now some guys are trying to hack the bluetooth signal so we can use the wiimote on PCs! How awesome :D The Wii is the first console I have bought that wasn't bargain bin, and I know a lot of people that are the same.

For me, console games have always been a casual gaming medium. I have never played a console game for very long (aside from RPGs) before getting bored of the stale gameplay. I typically find PC games much more innovative and fun. The Wii has been the first console that has held my attention for longer than 10 hours or so.

Also, I dont mind the cutesy games, I think they are more fun with just as much depth as some more violent/realistic games.
BLUE SKY IN GAMES!.

Ian \"Xest\" Winter   (Dec 12, 2006 at 10:15 GMT)

@ Alex, so you're saying something isn't next-gen unless it has state of the art graphics? Graphics are only one subsystem of a console/computer, claiming the Wii isn't capable of next-gen AAA titles because it's not as powerful as the 360 or PS3 is as daft as saying the PS3/360 aren't next gen because they're incapable of pulling off the same controls as the Wii.

This attitude demonstrates everything that's wrong with the games industry right now, where games may as well just be named RTS Clone #57474553 and FPS clone #46734743. The fact that Nintendo is doing something to change the face of gaming, doing something that is probably the biggest innovation and change to online gaming in over 10 years since Quake did proper online multiplayer is a bad thing how exactly?

I'm struggling to understand how you apply the argument that better AI, better physics, better graphics immerse you in the game more than the Wii mote, have you actually even tried it? Being able to shoot with the nunchuck and swing a sword with the Wii mote in games like Red Steel brings far more immersion than any amount of AI the 360/PS3 has or will be able to offer. The PS3 and 360's strength is in their rendering abilities so if you're expecting extraordinarily improved AI over the sort we've seen in the last few years you're going to be dissapointed, the 360 has been out over a year now and no games make such great use of physics or AI that makes these games any better than we've seen on the PC for 5 years, the PS3 is really no much more powerful that that'll be any different. Being able to physically block attacks with your sheild

When physics and AI processing hardware become the norm you may have a point, perhaps the next gen of consoles you'll be onto something - a point where AI and physics can be done properly alongside the brilliant graphics we have with this current new batch of consoles and perhaps this is Nintendo's plan, to sell their new idea now before it's too late, perhaps then at the next batch of consoles Nintendo will be in a position to provide the latest and greatest graphics and physics alongside their new control set having sold the new set of ideas with this system, but certainly with this generation of consoles the Wii's lower hardware specs aren't causing it to miss out on anything important, whilst the 360 and PS3 have missed out on the latest innovation in gaming.

Frankly, I think hardware sales speak for themselves, the DS and Wii are the top sellers - Nintendo aren't stupid, they know what the majority of people want and they're proving consistently that they can provide it, they learnt a lot of lessons with the Gamecube - that uptodate hardware wasn't necessarily a win.

Alex Resendes   (Dec 12, 2006 at 13:45 GMT)

@Ian
I have said it before... the Rev has the same games with a new control scheme. While the controls are cool, they are not so amazing that I can never play games with a standard controller or mouse & keyboard again. I have no troubles playing a game on a controller and being totally immersed and not even thinking about the controls. The current input devices are not broken and don't need fixing. Nintendo just offers an alternative.

Everybody is always touting Nintendo as being innovative and being so great. While Nintendo has definitely contributed a lot of innovation over the years in different ways, a strong case can also be made against them in that regard. If you step back and look.... you will notice that you have been playing the same franchises since the NES days. They keep pushing out the same stuff. What was the last original game Nintendo put out? Pikmin? I can't think of anything good in recent years.

If you have played Red Steel, you must know that the game is garbage and the controls do little to hide that. Now a game like Half-Life 2 on the other hand gave us a glimpse of some of the advances that I have talked about. The physics in the game allowed for more interaction with the environment and introduced some environmental puzzles. The new facial animation allowed for more expressive characters. Things like that are what make games better IMO. Wouldn't you rather have improved technology that allows for innovation in game design than just play the same games with a different control scheme?

We obviously have different opinions. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

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