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Shawn Simas   (Sep 06, 2005 at 11:58 GMT)

With this new auth. system, if I install TorqueDev on a computer without internet, it won't be able to be activated, and therefore, won't run?

Edit:
Your 'here' link is linking to torqudev.com not torquEdev.com
Edited on Sep 06, 2005 11:58 GMT

Sam Bacsa   (Sep 06, 2005 at 13:44 GMT)

@Shawn:

At the moment, yes. Very soon (within the next few day or so most likely) I will be implementing an offline auth system. I do want to add, however, that you only need to authenticate the system once every thirty days and it only requires a split-second of internet time. Most computers nowadays have access to the internet in at least that interval.

I just want to remind everyone that the purpose of the authorization system is to allow the utlization of content that may otherwise be restricted by the Torque EULAs. I certainly don't want to inconvenience anyone and I am willing to work with anyone to solve their problems with the system should any arise.

- Sam

PS - The link is fixed. Thanks.

Edit - Removed some random comma from my "PS".
Edited on Sep 06, 2005 13:54 GMT

Martin Schultz   (Sep 06, 2005 at 13:56 GMT)

Good work, Sam!!!

Shawn Simas   (Sep 06, 2005 at 14:10 GMT)

I do understand the system, I just use it at school and not all of the labs at the college have access to internet so I wouldn't be able to use it in those labs, and TorqueDev is by far my favourite of all editors.

It also sucked having to download torque again :P

Nathan Snell   (Sep 06, 2005 at 14:33 GMT)

You said the link is fixed but it still shows up wrong, perhaps you forgot to update?
Hopefully you can fix it soon as I'd really like to try out Delta 4 and I thinking i've missed the download link somewhere.

Thanks a lot for your hard work :)
Edited on Sep 06, 2005 14:40 GMT

Claudio Martinez   (Sep 06, 2005 at 14:37 GMT)

Sam,

I've successfully registered and logged in, however TorqueDev requires that I authenticate every time I close and restart the application. This makes plug-in development a nightmare. Is there anyway to have the application remember that I've completed the initial registration/login process?

Thanks,
cm

PS I'd also like to add that it might be prudent to add a "disconnected" mode for the editor, such that in the event netMercs can no-longer support (God forbid) TorqueDev, it will continue to be of use well into the future. Let

Sam Bacsa   (Sep 06, 2005 at 14:48 GMT)

@Nathan: The link to TorqueDev is available here. Scroll down the page. On the left side you'll find the links about midway down.

@Claudio: If you successfully exit the application (File->Exit or X button), it *should* remember your authentication because it saves it to the config.dat file in the local directory and caches the auth info for 30 days. Is your recent files list being saved between sessions? If you change something in Preferences, does it stay changed? Check your permissions on that directory and make sure it's writable (or at least that file).

I'm writing in the "offline mode" now and I should have that version up later today. I don't plan on going anywhere (*grin*), but the offline mode would allow for a non-expiring authorization should one be required. I'll have more details on that when I roll it out.

Also, I will be releasing details on an API that would allow webmasters and other non-TorqueDev tool authors to communicate with the TD servers to verify a user's license.
Edited on Sep 06, 2005 14:51 GMT

Nathan Snell   (Sep 06, 2005 at 15:14 GMT)

@Sam: Ah, sorry, my bad. I was seeing the 1.2 and missing the "release 4" part. Sorry about that, I woke up too early this morning and apparently it's affecting my thought process :p

Thanks, looking forward to using the new version :)

Jay Barnson   (Sep 06, 2005 at 16:58 GMT)

Hey Sam,

I haven't played with version 4 yet. I love the IDE - it's definitely helped my productivity. But I have a few issues.

#1 - No memory / history of searches - if you are searching for a keyword in a couple of different files, you have to re-type it each time.

#2 - Still getting a handle on the auto-tabbing behavior, but it's not bad.

#3 - If you try to create a new file under, say, the "Server" heading (folder), it defaults the save location back to the root, and you have to navigate each time to the correct directory. It would be very handy to store some kind of base directory for each folder in the project.

Little things like that would help. But dude, I'm highly impressed with it!

Shawn Simas   (Sep 06, 2005 at 20:06 GMT)

I must agree with Jay's #3 point, that can be a bummer at times.

Another thing about the Auth. I was reading into it more and it says 12 different servers can authorize. Now, each time I do it at school, thats going to be 1. So just today I've already used up 3 of my 12? This aint good.

You did say something about e-mailing you to allow more than 12, I'll have to get around to that. I really don't wanna have to stop using TorqueDev, even if its just the few hours I put in at school, it's so handy.

David Barr   (Sep 06, 2005 at 20:14 GMT)

@ Sam

After being tempted by Torquedev for a while I decided to try out version 4 but Im sorry to say that the files asked for in verification just happen to be ones I have made changes in :( (the lighting pack for a start changes a lot of TGE).

Are you planning an alternative way or am I stuck?

Sam Bacsa   (Sep 06, 2005 at 21:13 GMT)

@Jay:

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#1 - No memory / history of searches - if you are searching for a keyword in a couple of different files, you have to re-type it each time.

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I can add that no problem. Thanks for the suggestion.

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#2 - Still getting a handle on the auto-tabbing behavior, but it's not bad.

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I'm sorry, I can't say I know what you mean =x

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#3 - If you try to create a new file under, say, the "Server" heading (folder), it defaults the save location back to the root, and you have to navigate each time to the correct directory. It would be very handy to store some kind of base directory for each folder in the project.

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That's an excellent idea! I shall add that as well :)


@Shawn: I've taken the liberty of extending it to 50 auths. If you need any more, please let me know. I'll have a web interface pretty soon that will let you manage all of that.

@David: Go ahead and head to the registration page. When it asks you for verification of the engine, leave it blank and click "Continue". It will say you failed. Click "Continue" anyway and it will create an account with no credentials. That, obviously, won't be acceptable to the system and you won't be able to use it like that. When you've done this, activate your account (check your email) and then e-mail me. I'll set your account as verified for TGE. If you have the other products, make sure you verify for those. Remember to include the e-mail address you used to register if it differs from the one you're emailing me with.

- Sam

Stefan Beffy Moises   (Sep 06, 2005 at 21:28 GMT)

Err, how do I verify for TSE? It's CVS-only still, isnt it? And that obviously has changed recently (at least the verification doesnt work with a current checkout...).
Other than that: sounds really cool, I *love* the TIDE-style function browser :)

Claudio Martinez   (Sep 06, 2005 at 21:35 GMT)

Well most good ideas are stolen. I got used to the feature while using TIDE. I totally ganked it from you Stefan!!! As a matter of fact I mentioned that before submitting the code. Also Sam, I just submitted a bug fix for the TorqueBrowser via e-mail!!!

Sam Bacsa   (Sep 06, 2005 at 21:45 GMT)

@Stefan: I got the HEAD release on July 9. I am not sure what has changed since then. I just did a CVS update to the latest HEAD that's available as of this post. Give it another try; see if it works for you.

Matt Harpold   (Sep 07, 2005 at 04:17 GMT)

Small problem, when I try to run the installer, I get "This advertised application will not be installed because it might be unsafe. Contact your administrator to change the installation user interface option of the package to basic".

Sam Bacsa   (Sep 07, 2005 at 05:43 GMT)

@Matt: Make sure you're installing with administrative rights. It may have issues otherwise.

Stefan Beffy Moises   (Sep 07, 2005 at 06:12 GMT)

@Claudio: that's cool, now I have everything I need in TorqueDev, too, glad you "copied" TIDEBrowse! ;)
@Sam: seems your TSE update did the trick, the registration worked for me now, thanks!

Johan Stenqvist (neochrome)   (Sep 07, 2005 at 07:12 GMT)

Maybe a stupid question - but exactly what do we need this authentication for?
Or rather, I can see the need to activate for the different engines - but once you've activated why's the need to redo it every 30 days?
I mean - it's not like I somehow don't have the engine licenced 30 days from now or something - I don't think it's possible to refund it or am I wrong?
The reasons for my ranting is that I don't have internet access from home yet, but would of course like to use TorqueDev there...

I have another application which also works with a unique machine-id which you have to activate over the net - but you can do this from another computer.
It works like this:
1) install application on your computer
2) generate unique machine number (in the about dialog or something)
3) surf to a webpage and enter the number in one of two available slots (this could be done from another computer).
It also means you can activate the application for more than one computer (in this case two different at a time) - you could use more slots if you wanted.
4) download the activationkey - it's a textfile with some type of hash or something.
5) drag-n-drop the activationkey-file on the application - and the application is activated.

Otherwise - good work with the ultimate TorqueScript-editor!

Johan Stenqvist (neochrome)   (Sep 07, 2005 at 07:20 GMT)

One more thing - if you don't make use of Internet Explorer's proxy settings I would recommend you do this.
I just tried to activate and run update wizard from work (behind firewall/proxy) and neither worked - I just got the message about checking my internet connection...

Sam Bacsa   (Sep 07, 2005 at 07:21 GMT)

@Johan: It needs to be activated every 30 days in case GG terminates a license. The activation can then be terminated as well.

Also, offline authentication (which I am coding right now) will be implemented in such a manner. There will be a patch for this soon.

Thanks,
Sam

James Laker (BurNinG)   (Nov 29, 2005 at 09:36 GMT)

Sam... Is the offline authorisation working yet?
I can't see for the love of all good things get it to install...

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