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David Roberts   (Feb 22, 2005 at 21:26 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Wow. Simply incredible. T2D is going to be amazing, no doubt about it.

"Launch is just days away!"

Well I know what I'm going to be doing all this weekend. :-)

Keep up the good work guys.

- Dave

David \"Fulcrum\" Wyand   (Feb 22, 2005 at 21:32 GMT)

Wow. Just....wow. Great job guys!

- LightWave Dave

Michael Cozzolino   (Feb 22, 2005 at 21:36 GMT)

Sweet.

Teck Lee Tan   (Feb 22, 2005 at 21:46 GMT)

"Tim Aste's Beer Pack." You guys kill me! :-D That stuff looks great. I'm especially impressed with the underwater scene, and can only imagine at how those volumetric lighting effects might look animated. Kudos, guys, and can't wait for the release. :)

David Blake   (Feb 22, 2005 at 21:53 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

T2D has been on my most wanted list for a long, long time. I'm glad to see it well on its way!

Jason McIntosh   (Feb 22, 2005 at 22:03 GMT)

Credit card is at the ready. :)

Keith Frampton   (Feb 22, 2005 at 22:04 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Those shots look fantastic! I can't wait to see what the GG community can come up with once this is out there.

Josiah Wang   (Feb 22, 2005 at 22:08 GMT)

NIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Throw in torque's superb networking code, and you've get yourselves tribes 2d XD

Seriously though, this opens up a lot of opportunities. I really enjoyed the grav gun one (XD Tim Aste's Beer Pack) Particle effects are awesome...I see at least the smoke and the magic powder from that bag...

Awesome!

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Oh yeah....any idea on the price range? 10-50? 100-150? haha just need to know how much i gotta save =D
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Edited on Feb 22, 2005 22:09 GMT

Richard Simkins   (Feb 22, 2005 at 22:22 GMT)

This engine will probably cost me my degree. Man, I'm going to be toying with this thing all the rest of the year. Can't wait!

Love the gravity gun pun!
Edited on Feb 22, 2005 22:23 GMT

Corey Martin   (Feb 22, 2005 at 22:36 GMT)

a big YO! on this one.

I can already see how my weekend will play out. Guess my OTHER projects will just have to wait :)

Robert Brower   (Feb 22, 2005 at 22:37 GMT)

Oh my

Teck Lee Tan   (Feb 22, 2005 at 22:58 GMT)

By the way, releasing it tomorrow (23rd Feb) would make T2D a fantastic birthday gift for yours truly *nudge nudge wink wink* ;)

Bryan Letcher aka "Panthros"   (Feb 22, 2005 at 23:14 GMT)

My birthday was the 17th but I am happy to take a late birthday gift tomorrow...

Perform an early release and let us play with it please...pretty please...

I am ready to spend the money already! Stop the teasing ;-)
Edited on Feb 23, 2005 08:58 GMT

Adam deGrandis   (Feb 23, 2005 at 00:06 GMT)

Oh my frigging head... This all looks FANTASTIC!

*GIGANTIC* thumbs up to all who were involved!

Matt Sayre   (Feb 23, 2005 at 00:33 GMT)

Holy moly, looks great! I'll be tinkering with this for sure.

Ian Roach   (Feb 23, 2005 at 01:02 GMT)

Wow that looks amazing.

Bob Steen   (Feb 23, 2005 at 01:49 GMT)

slobber slobber

Joshua Dallman   (Feb 23, 2005 at 01:54 GMT)

Oh man, these are just the tip of the iceberg of what T2D developers are going to be creating! There's going to be a FLOOD of new 2d games as a result of this engine!

Does GG have any plans to make a seperate sales section for the flood of small, inexpensive 2d games that will likely be coming out in droves?

Jeff Gran   (Feb 23, 2005 at 02:15 GMT)

Awesome, Josh! Like everyone I can't wait to see (and play) all the new 2d games that are sure to come out soon after T2D does! It makes me want to make my own!

Timothy Aste   (Feb 23, 2005 at 03:25 GMT)

Hahaha! Beer pack? Dear god. That's the first time I've seen that. I guess this is a poke at my well stocked mini-fridge? :)

On a side note, T2D is F****** the most amazing thing ever.
I can't wait to see how many artists get into this because it allows for them to use their talent but not have to be highly skilled 3D modellers to get into games!

Seriously people, you heard it here, and I'm saying this as a fan, T2D is the f***** coolest thing ever!!

:)

Eric Elwell   (Feb 23, 2005 at 04:18 GMT)

Awesome. Totally!

Jeremy Alessi   (Feb 23, 2005 at 07:18 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

I'm so excited about this ... looks like the best 2D tool EVER! Amazing artwork as well shown there!

Harold "LabRat" Brown   (Feb 23, 2005 at 08:41 GMT)

The pool game is nice.... I spent about 30 minutes to add basic 9-ball and a rack pattern for tournament approved racks. You play the game and go... hey this is a pretty complete game of pool then you look at the script and go... "This was all it took!"

Greg Ellwood   (Feb 23, 2005 at 09:21 GMT)

Looking fantastic!

I'm hoping T2D will be the thing to pull me away for World of Warcraft for a while :)

-Greg.

Peter Dwyer   (Feb 23, 2005 at 11:10 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

I'm holding ya to that "Just Days Away" statement guys.

@Melv

Can you have your manager (the one that was on that spiky chair ;o) breathing down your and GG necks on this please ;o)

Melv May   (Feb 23, 2005 at 11:12 GMT)

@Peter: We wanted to release next month but my daughter stepped in and said that this wasn't going to happen and we must release this week or else. Man, she really knows how to crack the whip. ;)

- Melv.

Peter Dwyer   (Feb 23, 2005 at 11:24 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

@Josh or Melv

As you are doing an early adopter thing, do you have price in mind. I don't remember seeing one anywhere and it's monthly budget time here at the Dwyer household.....Ok! Ok! So the other half is looking at me funny and asking how much I plan to spend on this :o)

Charlie Malbaurn   (Feb 23, 2005 at 13:00 GMT)

Rumor around the office is that it will cost 1 billion dollars. When I say office, i mean the one in my head

Pete111   (Feb 23, 2005 at 14:52 GMT)

So it's being released this week?

Craig Fortune   (Feb 23, 2005 at 15:55 GMT)

*Grins manically*

Thanks for all the kind words everyone. I hope you enjoy playing around with these demos as much as we did making the artwork for them. I'd like to stress just how truthful Josh is being when he talks of how speedily these demos were done. T2D truely is that damn good :)

Shannara   (Feb 23, 2005 at 19:06 GMT)

Just one question maybe someone can answer ... for a tile based map, are the player movement limited to tile by tile or is it freeform?

Pete111   (Feb 23, 2005 at 19:28 GMT)

Shannara: I'm sure you'll have freeform movement. You're player will be a sprite and just do collision test against the tile set.

Melv May   (Feb 23, 2005 at 19:33 GMT)

@Peter: You know how it us, GG will announce the price when it's ready, I can't do it. Value for money me thinks. :)

@Pete111: When Josh said, in a few days ... well, it's in a few days, that's all. ;)

@Craig: You guys deserve the praise no matter how sickly praise sounds, you definately deserve it.

@Shannara: Your player would only be limited to the position of a tile if your player was a tile! Normally your player would be a sprite which can obviously be placed anywhere. How/when your player collides with tiles it totally up to you. Just to repeat what I've said before, T2D doesn't make any assumptions about how you want to manipulate your game objects. You're free to do with them as you please.

- Melv.

David House   (Feb 23, 2005 at 20:00 GMT)

OK, enough already! Just hush and get this thing shipped.

Has credit card in hand, and a half a dozen game ideas already. Now to kidnap one of the above artists for about a year!

Seriously good looking work. Was considering alternatives for some 2D game ideas, but really there is no need. This is the best 2D engine that is cross-platform and ready to go.

Can't wait to see what all gets done with this engine.

Gabor Forrai   (Feb 23, 2005 at 21:06 GMT)

Truly amazing, congrats again guys !

ed : im truly hope t2d bring us the times of the Nu Renessaince of 2d games.
Edited on Feb 23, 2005 21:19 GMT

Shannara   (Feb 23, 2005 at 21:07 GMT)

@David House: If you are a license owner of the Torque engine, T2D is free ... no need for a credit card :)

Josiah Wang   (Feb 23, 2005 at 21:18 GMT)

@Shannara O_O are you serious????

Shannara   (Feb 23, 2005 at 21:19 GMT)

That is what I gather from the previous plans, and forum posts concerning T2D ... Josh, help me on this one?

Josiah Wang   (Feb 23, 2005 at 21:28 GMT)

Cuz that seems *somewhat* wierd....cuz as with the RTS pack and other Torquey add-ons / modifications, they still had a price tag....although I wouldn't mind....what I thought was that TGE owners get an Early Adopter discount or something...iunno...

Shannara   (Feb 23, 2005 at 21:33 GMT)

Hmm, I thought it was pure binary that is free to existing T2D owners, w/ source that costs .. bah, now we have to wait till an Employee responds :P

David Blake   (Feb 23, 2005 at 21:54 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

I'm sure that there are some special benefits for those who have been beta testing T2D, but for the vast majority of us, it will cost money.

Josh Williams   (Feb 23, 2005 at 23:00 GMT)

Josiah, David, you are right, thanks. T2D represents about 18 months of work between Melv, myself, Pat, and others. There's no way we could justify making it free to anyone, especially since Melv has worked so hard on it, despite having a brand new baby daughter in the middle of development. I'm sure that's understandable. :)
Edited on Feb 23, 2005 23:24 GMT

David Blake   (Feb 23, 2005 at 23:21 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

More than understandable. I jumped on the "I'd pay for it" bandwagon WAY back.

Shannara   (Feb 23, 2005 at 23:59 GMT)

Excellet answer :) I was kinda hoping it wasnt free.. which is good news. So the price for this will be listed when it comes out I assume :)

Vashner   (Feb 24, 2005 at 00:27 GMT)

I plan on purchasing this pack. Looks great!

Josh Williams   (Feb 24, 2005 at 03:02 GMT)

On the binary, T2D will be available as a binary-only license eventually, but not right away. We're rolling out the source version first so that we can get this out to everyone as quickly as possible.

And, big announcement: you do not need to be a Torque owner in order to buy or use T2D source! :) This is possible because we ripped out the stock TGE rendering, leaving Torque's excellent script, platform, GUI, etc framework in place as a base to build from. T2D source includes this core code, as well as the T2D game and rendering functionality. And, once again, anyone who already owns Torque can drop the T2D-specific functionality into their TGE projects without needing to change a single line of C++ code!

Everyone will get a discount on T2D while it's under the Early Adopter program too, just as with TSE right now. On top of that, we wanted to say thanks to TGE owners for their support, so we're giving them an an extra discount. The discounted EA price for T2D source (indie) is $100, and TGE owners will get an extra $20 off that!

We're cranking hard to get this out the door. Jay, Ben B and Alex are working their butts off, and so are Melv and I. Stay tuned!
Edited on Feb 24, 2005 03:03 GMT

Charlie Malbaurn   (Feb 24, 2005 at 04:40 GMT)

I think 100 bucks is fair. I do worry however about new people coming in and seeing that they can either get a 3d engine for 100 or a 2d engine for the same price.

Josiah Wang   (Feb 24, 2005 at 04:54 GMT)

@Charlie heh....well i guess it depends on how you view it

Since T2D was derived from TGE, from the producer's POV it'd probably cost equal or more, since more effort has been put into it.

On the other hand, the *commonly* held misconception is that only 3d games are ub3r l33t....and I must say, it really is common....>.< These people might have a problem with it being the same (EA) price as a 3d engine...

Of course, once they read all of Josh's and Melv's .plans, I think they'll agree it's worth the price =D

Manuel F. Lara   (Feb 24, 2005 at 04:57 GMT)

Being 3D doesn't mean it's better. I'll pay $100 por T2D but I won't pay even $50 for TGE, I just don't need it or want it.

monki (Wesley Beary)   (Feb 24, 2005 at 04:59 GMT)

Congrats, excited to take it for a spin...

Charlie Malbaurn   (Feb 24, 2005 at 05:12 GMT)

I agree with you all. But again I know it's what I want. I've also been here for a while. So basically, I was trying to look at it from a outside looking in perspective.

Just to test my theory, I just asked one of my co-workers what he thought about the price, since i've been telling him about t2d and he wants to make a 2d game.

He thought it was on the steep side only because there isn't that much of a demand for 2d games and that 3d for the same price is odd. His feeling being that if there the same price then one or the other must not be that great.

I think it's a fine price considering that you don't need to buy the 3D engine anymore.

I just thought that someone may want a outside opinion. Not to say that his opinion is that of every other outsiders.

Josh Williams   (Feb 24, 2005 at 06:10 GMT)

Actually, the demand for 2D games is growing very rapidly recently. It's pretty interesting to see them resurging so strongly. For example, take a look at this year's IGF finalists, besides great 3D games like Lore, there are lots of really good, really fun 2D games on the list. Indeed, some of the best selling online-distributed games of 2004 were 2D.

Of course, we didn't want to do Torque 2D because we caught onto some trend. It's just cool that things are working out such that 2D games are getting popular again. If we can help some indies make successful 2D games, especially when the market is willing to accept them again, that'll be awesome.

As for T2D's price-point versus Torque's... look, we sell Torque for beans. :) It is ridiculously underpriced. TGE is very powerful technology, and it gets enhanced constantly (in fact, the next major TGE release is just around the corner, and it has lots of nice improvements). The GG founders decided to make Torque so cheap out of an earnest desire to help indies make games. Can't hold that against 'em!

So yes, T2D's final price, after the Early Adopter release, should be higher than Torque's. That's not because one engine is better than the other (afterall, they're built on the same exact foundation), it's just because Torque sells for much, much less than it's worth. I think you could say that about most everything here.. from code to content packs, we're trying to make it easier to make games on indie budgets. So, yeah, if you look at everything next to Torque, prices won't make traditional sense. That's because, unlike most companies that try to squeeze every dime they can out of customers, we don't mind giving Torque, and really all of our products, away for much less than we could, if it'll help indies make games.

*tear* I love this place. ;) Seriously though, this is one of the main reasons I'm so proud to be involved with GG.
Edited on Feb 24, 2005 06:15 GMT

David Blake   (Feb 24, 2005 at 06:25 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

I think that's an excellent price, and WELL worth it for what's included in the engine. Plus, Melv needs money for formula!

Shannara   (Feb 24, 2005 at 06:31 GMT)

Heh, this is both good news and bad news :) Can't wait until the early adopter program begins :) Anyways, the price made me choke since Torque (regular not the new torque shader engine) is quite advanced (if we count the oodles of computation required for 3d compared to 2d) compared to T2D made me kinda wonder ... :)

Is T2D limited by missions like Torque (and upcoming TSE?) ? Or is that limitation removed?

Either/or it doesnt matter to me anymore .. with such a high price tag, I have to wait for almost a year before I can even think about purchasing this seperate engine. Actually, if we were allowed to have a license sell/transfer for Torque, I'll sell that bugger to get T2D, heh.

Anyways, lots of luck!
Edited on Feb 24, 2005 06:33 GMT

Jay Moore   (Feb 24, 2005 at 06:51 GMT)

From the guy who lives, eats and breaths price point value propositions... Charlie as you point out this was a concern for us as well.

I do think when the binary only version comes out the lower price point will help people differentiate the engines. We do hope that people will find the tool that fits the level of knowledge and skill they have to tackle game creation, but we all know how attractive the shiny 3D game space seems.

Out of the gate we will continue our trademark "indie" licensing (the $100 for source that Josh mentioned above) and one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that we'll also have the commercial version available in EA.

If the phone ringing constantly this week is any indication - there is definately interest from current commercial game developers (those who make more than $250,000 a year or are not making games) in getting their hands on the commercial license of T2D at $395 per programmer seat.

With stock Macromedia Flash MX costing $499 I don't think anyone can say we've over priced T2D commercial.

You have to question your pricing sanity sometimes when prospective customers say "you know you're practically giving this technology away," but that is just how GG likes it... lets not let access to the technology keep any of us from pushing the boundaries and creating new games.

Charlie Malbaurn   (Feb 24, 2005 at 08:17 GMT)

Thanks for the info guys.

David Roberts   (Feb 24, 2005 at 11:09 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

$80 for existing Torque owners is more than a fair price for an engine of such obvious capabilities. Heck, that works out to be about 40 of my English pounds - about the price of a new game over here in the UK. When you consider what you'll be able to do with T2D, and all the promised documentation and demos, its a bargain.

I totally agree that the TGE is underpriced at $100, and I have a great amount of respect to the GG team for offering such good products at prices that indies can afford. For less than $200 (about

Darryl Bartlett   (Feb 24, 2005 at 12:24 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

I totally agree with you David. The pricing is about right. If you take a look at certain other recently released products, they come with a similar price tag and, at the end of the day, they are just languages i.e. you still have to do a lot initialisation code.

Also I am very happy to know that I am not the only other saddo checking the site and my email for updates every five minutes!!! :P

Corey Martin   (Feb 24, 2005 at 13:16 GMT)

Amen, Darryl :) I didn't feel as pitiful once I realized everyone was checking just as much as I was!

Josh Williams   (Feb 24, 2005 at 14:53 GMT)

Hehe.. the release is quite a bit more than 5 minutes away, but thanks for checking so much!

Matthew Langley   (Feb 24, 2005 at 15:34 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

considering Visual C++ runs $160 and Torque runs $100 I see that as Torque being way underpriced... T2D is the same... I mean even the tools to work with the code behind the engines are more than the engines lol... and you get the source at those prices !

Melv May   (Feb 24, 2005 at 15:40 GMT)

Yeah, definately. And purchasing early for the price of a video-game or good meal ensures that you can sit back and enjoy the developments to come without worrying about any price rises.

Total value for money. This release is just the beginning of an exciting year of developing some absolutely amazing stuff. We've got to be humble and get this EA out the door first, then we can discuss all the cool stuff on its way. :)

- Melv.

Matthew Langley   (Feb 24, 2005 at 15:53 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

didn't even think about the truth that this is just an EA release... at $80 (if you have already purchased TGE) you get all the updates to come... I am extremeley excited about the idea of using this as an isometric engine... though still am very excited about making completely 2d games too.

EDIT: hey I'm at work, can't quite check ever 5
minutes... every 20 minutes

EDIT: 20 minutes later ~ I think one of the things I'm most excited about is looking through your code melv... since you said you overcommented if anything, I really look forward to reading through it and learning some game C++ coding.

EDIT: Another 20 minutes later ~ what other engine has a main creator that says this

Quote:

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If anyone wants to ask any technical questions regarding T2D then please email me (I'll copy Josh) and I'd be happy to answer your questions. Please just don't ask me marketing questions!!!

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Quote:

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As always, please don't hesitate sending me an email if you've got any non-marketting questions!

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My mind is just imaging a traditional RPG / Zelda game with the physics of T2D *grin* !

lol I feel like such a fanboy
Edited on Feb 24, 2005 16:40 GMT

Gabor Forrai   (Feb 24, 2005 at 16:15 GMT)

80 usd-100usd-395 usd ? Thats more than reasonable , not a high price! Im working now with another crossplatform 2d engine, which is a rather expensive...about 75 (!) times higher than the 80usd EA-TGE price, and havent got as cool features as T2D have. For example thats engine havent got a cool community and staff like any TXX products here... :)

Calico Rabbit   (Feb 24, 2005 at 16:36 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Hi, I'm new to this whole garage games scene and was wondering if the early adopter program includes future upgrades/utilities.

Specifically, the stuff that has been talked about having a game-maker-like version of T2d, will that be free to owners of an early adopter license?

Do garage games licenses only cover specific version numbers i.e. Photoshop 6 owners have to pay for Photoshop 7?

If this is the wrong place to ask this just let me know.

-CalicoRabbit

Melv May   (Feb 24, 2005 at 18:04 GMT)

@Calico: Buy now and you won't have to purchase later. You'll be entitled to all the updates. No problems. :)

- Melv.

Jeff Tunnell   (Feb 24, 2005 at 23:12 GMT)

There will eventually be more than one T2D product, and they will not all be free. For instance, the Game Maker part may not be free. But, we don't really know yet. Just want to be clear that $100 does not make us indentured servants for ever and ever.

Harold "LabRat" Brown   (Feb 24, 2005 at 23:21 GMT)

Damn Jeff... I thought my purchase of Tribes bought your eternal servitude.... I'll have to rethink my strategy for taking over the world......

Can we negotiate for it being indentured servants for a period of time less than infinity but longer then 2 weeks? I'll even let you have off every other tuesday during a full moon.

Melv May   (Feb 24, 2005 at 23:26 GMT)

Yes, Harold. That's what the commerical license is for. ;)

- Melv.

David Blake   (Feb 25, 2005 at 03:41 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

You mean My Willy Beamish CD's didn't guarantee slavitude? DAMNIT! And to think I got TGE, TSE, RTS, and everything else here for free.

Wait, no I didn't.

Damn my crap luck.

Matthew Langley   (Feb 25, 2005 at 04:02 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

"What are we going to do tonight Brain"

"We're going to force the Garage Games employees into indentured servitude and force them to bombard the world with such low priced technology that the major companies decide to launch tactical nuclear strikes against eachother to eliminate the competition which will contaminate the human species to a state of infancy... after which we will be the prime species to take over the world!"


...

...
ok I really need to get some sleep lol

Calico Rabbit   (Feb 25, 2005 at 04:13 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

That sounds pretty reasonable. Ballparkish, how much would a gamemaker type program cost? 50ish?
Would there be a discount to T2D owners? Would a gamemaker be months, or years away?

As you can see I am trying to evaluate whether to be an "Early Adopter", considering I know very little about programming, some ActionScript and one class in Visual Basic, I really don't know how practical it would be for someone like me to be getting the EA license. How different from a mature T2D would a gamemaker version be? Would the gamemaker version have additional level editing/importing tools? Or would just lack access to source, or something like that?

Anyway, I hope that makes sense, just got back from a 4 hour figure sculpture class and I'm a bit wiped,

Thanks for the help,

-CalicoRabbit

Terry   (Feb 25, 2005 at 04:19 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

@Melv: Am I reading in your post above that purchasing the commercial license would offer a better upgrade path (less costly for updates/upgrades) than the standard license? Or possibly a different level of support? I thought it was just the difference between a $250K cap and an unlimited license. Or am I just too tired to realize your answer was simply a clever retort to the previous post ;).......Hmmmm........

Guess I should leave the refresh button alone for the night and check for a T2D release in the morning.

Terry

Peter Dwyer   (Feb 25, 2005 at 10:21 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Ok so I'm 6 hours ahead of the US......where is the release Josh......Melv........wake up! awwww come on :o\

Robotron 2864 isn't going to wait forever you know! Or supreme EDF (earth defence force)....or Ninja Block Fighter....or my remake of Fairlight, with physics....well you get the idea.......

Charlie Malbaurn   (Feb 25, 2005 at 11:40 GMT)

I'm going to create a 2d forum waiting game where the goal is to wait on a forum and refresh the button every 20 minutes or so.

Maybe I'll even port it over to cell phones so you can do it in your spare time between refreshing every 20 minutes on your work machine to refreshing every 20 minutes on your home machine.

I think the game will be very refreshing.

*/ Ducks /*

Melv May   (Feb 25, 2005 at 11:45 GMT)

We don't sleep. We don't need it. We got beyond sleep. We .... zzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

David Roberts   (Feb 25, 2005 at 12:07 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

So is today "T2D Launch Day"?

If so, I'll get the party poppers, celebratory banners and champagne!

Oh, and my credit card too! :-)

- Dave
Edited on Feb 25, 2005 12:20 GMT

Charlie Malbaurn   (Feb 25, 2005 at 12:49 GMT)

I hope today is the day too. My wifes mother is coming from Latvia tomorrow for a month and now is a good time to guilt her into letting me spend some of my own money.

Marriage rocks

Jay Moore   (Feb 25, 2005 at 13:46 GMT)

I'm calling this the worst kept secret stealth launch of a product in the history of GG...
I've now into my 3rd day of 3 hours of sleep a night... hmmm... come to think of it the last sleep was Wednesday.

These are the days we'll all look back on and say... remember when... Melv's baby was just born and all he could do was birth a new engine (has to be some creative gene gone awry). Josh hadn't slept for so long he forgot we were taking screen shots of "Desert Defender" and insisted he had to play all the way through to get to the boss (rather than just open the console and give it a command).

My moto for T2D launch campaign was "The game industries most heavily guarded secret, only thing more fun than playing games is making them." Now our tag line is down to "Make it Fast... Make it Fun!"

Can't wait to see what you guys come up with... We're planning on rolling out new game demos as frequently as we get new ones... so if you early adopters are up for fame - I have a bet with Jeff we can get out a good game demo each week (he always thinks marketing guys are dream'n) - So you guys want to prove that you can create enough fun for a new game each week? (I'd like to be the one getting the bottle of wine for once).

David Roberts   (Feb 25, 2005 at 13:57 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

@Jay - So is that a 'stealthy' yes answer to it being "launch day" today? ;-)

<Party poppers at the ready>

- Dave

Peter Dwyer   (Feb 25, 2005 at 15:13 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

@Melv

Prod...Prod.....naw he's out of it......I'll try Josh


@Josh


Prod.....Prod....PROOOODDDDDD......Thud....er....um.....* Rolls sleeping Josh under the nearest rug*

Corey Martin   (Feb 25, 2005 at 15:25 GMT)

Prod.... Prod-Prod...

*blink*

...Prod... Today? :)

Matthew Langley   (Feb 25, 2005 at 15:42 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

@Melv or Josh:

A question... I know you can have as many viewports (cameras - whatever you call em) of the 2D world as you want... can zoom them in all you want, even look at the same thing with different zooms on different ports.... can you rotate a port ? I guess adding the code for that myself shouldn't be that hard if you couldn't though.

Josh Williams   (Feb 25, 2005 at 17:24 GMT)

Yes Matt, you can rotate views out of the box. :)

Shannara   (Feb 25, 2005 at 19:07 GMT)

Hmm, still no answer as to whether this engine is limited to missions like the restriction on TGE .. I'm setting aside the $80 right now so I can buy this puppy as soon as it comes out.

Corey Martin   (Feb 25, 2005 at 19:08 GMT)

I've got my cash set aside.. just waiting for it to <nudge> get released </nudge> :D

Josh Williams   (Feb 25, 2005 at 19:16 GMT)

Thanks for the nudges guys. :) Trying hard here...

Re: missions.. there are no missions in T2D.

Matthew Langley   (Feb 25, 2005 at 19:20 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

now theres a humble guy for you

"Thanks for the nudges guys. :)"


most other people probably would curse us to damnation lol

Melv May   (Feb 25, 2005 at 19:27 GMT)

When you've been awake for over 30 hours you can't argue.

To be honest, I think the incoming notification email beeps are the only thing that keeps you awake.

All the wheels are turning over here guys/gals and Josh is a man possessed!

- Melv.

Matthew Langley   (Feb 25, 2005 at 19:34 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

and here is
"Melv 'mother' May"

with more humility...

gotta love the GG crew

Corey Martin   (Feb 25, 2005 at 19:35 GMT)

Hats off to you guys for all the hard work youve put into T2D, for keeping us up to date, and for putting up with our incessant nudging and prodding!

Peter Dwyer   (Feb 25, 2005 at 20:18 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

@Josh

On a totally unrelated not i.e. not T2D related.....just wanted to ask....er why (in your profile photo) do you look like you are plotting the camera mans very painful demise?


....just curious ;o)

Josh Williams   (Feb 25, 2005 at 20:48 GMT)

I was upset because standing there to have my picture taken was taking time away from working on T2D. ;)
Edited on Feb 25, 2005 20:49 GMT

David Blake   (Feb 25, 2005 at 20:49 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Oh, I've got a mission for T2D, alright!

Charlie Malbaurn   (Feb 25, 2005 at 22:30 GMT)

Ah it's time to leave these boys alone and let them do what they do best.

Although I am curious to ask about editors though. With there being no binary version and wanting people to buy the engine, are we going to be allowed to add some form of level editor to our games?

Ok, now I swear it's time to leave them alone

Edit: I may go to the conference this year just to shake your hands. Everythink looks great and I can't wait to play around with it!
Edited on Feb 25, 2005 22:32 GMT

Peter Dwyer   (Feb 25, 2005 at 22:49 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Yea I'm off to bed after spending an hour looking at my old games collections (got some classic arcade boards I plan to pinch a few ideas from)....

:o)

:o/

:o}

:o\

Melv May   (Feb 25, 2005 at 22:54 GMT)

Ahhh bed. What does that do exactly? I hear you people get to do that sleep thing?

Ah but to dream.

- Melv.

Melv May   (Feb 25, 2005 at 23:41 GMT)

Okay, taking a 30 min break here.

Here's something which I just realised I haven't posted before that might be interesting to you which shows you an early T2D running multiple scenes inside the stock TGE FPS demo.

T2D inside T3D.

Very old but interesting still.

- Melv.

Matthew Langley   (Feb 25, 2005 at 23:42 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Question just thought up in my head...

because the way licensing works (correct me if I'm wrong)... TGE you need license if your using source... so say I am the source editor and the rest of my team will just use scripts... I'm the only one who needs a license....

will this be the same with T2D ? if I just give them the binary and scripts... or do I need to buy an $80- 100 license for each of them since no T2D binary version is released for free...?

Matthew Langley   (Feb 25, 2005 at 23:53 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Nice Demo Melv !!! ...

because T2D runs in a gui... and it uses scripts to interface (obviously)... theoretically to interface 3d interaction wiht the 3d Gui could be done passing info back and forth with scripts ?

Corey Martin   (Feb 25, 2005 at 23:58 GMT)

No T2d today :(

:(

David Blake   (Feb 26, 2005 at 00:01 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

@Corey
I've been saying that for months now. :(

Melv May   (Feb 26, 2005 at 00:07 GMT)

@Corey: Nobody said no T2D today! Patience. :)

@Matthew: I'll let Jay answer that, my brain is fried and I'll say something not quite correct, I just know it. With regards to your other question; it depends on what you mean by 3D interaction. If you're talking about rendering then no because the GUI controls are rendered discreetly by T3D. T2D can only be over/underlaid any other GUI controls, not intermix rendering, at least not stock. You can of course freely communicate any other information you want, even at the C++ level if you want. The majority of T2D is about the management and manipulation of the scenegraph, its objects and their state. It is possibly to develop a 3D object, using something like my fxRenderObject, that renders the fxSceneGraph2D. The core T2D object is a fxSceneObject2D and that contains all the goodies but the great thing is, it doesn't do any rendering so you can create new objects that do, and work in 3-space with the 2D layer being some Z in 3-space. Some of the stuff though just wouldn't fit or be appropriate and I'm not sure exactly the benefit of doing all this work.

It'd be much easier to develop 2D 3-space objects than try to convert T2D.

- Melv.

Matthew Langley   (Feb 26, 2005 at 00:13 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Ahh... thx for the explanation Melv... lol I can't even imagine how fried your brain is right now... didn't mean to drop a big thinker on yah.

I'm thinking it would be fine, because I would be coding T2D and they would be "moding" it... but then again "moding" of T2D released games hasn't been mentioned... and I still may be incorrect, no rush on that I can wait till he can give me a solid answer on that :)

More what I was thinking was basic things... like say I store a Players Health Information in $playerHealth... can T2D have access to that global variable ? Naturaly I'm thinking yes considering you can access different variables with different GUI's (in essence I'd say they share the same "scripting space") but then again I may be wrong... wasn't thinking massive interaction... but if I wanted to have a little bit, would it be feasible to keep setting up info in globals and then access them through T2D ? Could imagine if I tried doing this 32 times a second it would be incredibely inefficient but still feasible ?

Josh Williams   (Feb 26, 2005 at 00:39 GMT)

So... pretty soon here will be a good time to start hitting refresh...
Edited on Feb 26, 2005 00:40 GMT

Bob   (Feb 26, 2005 at 00:51 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

How soon is soon?
..and where should I be refreshing at?

Edited on Feb 26, 2005 00:51 GMT

Corey Martin   (Feb 26, 2005 at 00:58 GMT)

@Melv

Im still trying to master my 'patience' mechanism.. Luckily, I can rest easy knowing T2D will be worth the wait!!

@Josh

You tease. You marvelous, marvelous tease.. :D

Melv May   (Feb 26, 2005 at 01:01 GMT)

@Matthew: You work with T2D exactly as you would with T3D.

As an example, say you had T2D running overlaying your game, perhaps in the corner somewhere. You may been using it to render some kind of radar perhaps. You create the radar background and add little radar-blips using T2D sprites. It's entirely possible for your 3D positioned objects to tell the T2D radar control where they are or perhaps the control pollls the objects. It's all compatible with each other. All is possible and most of the time, very easy when it comes to T2D and T3D communicating in games, it's the rendering of T2D stuff intermixed with 3D objects that's the complex stuff.

As an overlay, underlay for menus etc or even use T3D for the 3D backdrop, it's real simple.

- Melv.

Bob   (Feb 26, 2005 at 01:09 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Just bought it!!!

David Roberts   (Feb 26, 2005 at 01:13 GMT)   Resource Rating: 5

Wahoo!

Party poppers popped!

Banners unleashed!

Champagne flowing!

T2D Bought!

And its 1am UK time so I'll crash into bed safe in the knowledge of knowing that when I wake, I will be able to tinker with making 2D games to my hearts content.

Great work guys!

:-)

Charlie Malbaurn   (Feb 26, 2005 at 01:29 GMT)

Kudos guys.

I'll be working on my wife as soon as she gets home!

Truthfully, Just playing the demo, I can tell you that I am really, really impressed. I can't wait to get my hands on it

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